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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Saturday, 15 November 2014 13:34:04 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:57:01 AM UTC-5, True North wrote: On Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:45:52 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:16:58 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/15/14 10:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:37:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote: Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made to a participant in this newsgroup: I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself. You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here. It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I was not alone in lending some help during a rough time. Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok? Since when has honesty meant anything to White or Krause? One of the few remaining delights of rec.boats is to see vile posts like these from right-wing trash like Herring and others and then shortly afterwards see posts from them whining about the "atmosphere" here. Who's whining? Luddite had a rightful complaint. Don was out of line. Nothing new there. And, since when has honesty meant anything to you or Don White. You two make up lies and then feed each other from your own troughs. I think we've been darn accurate profiling you. "Bang on"... as y'all like to say down there. BTW I apologized to Richard...why is it any of your business to continue bringing up this issue in the newsgroup? My response was to Krause. Direct your whine to him. Duh! You named me directly.. here, read this again if you've forgotten already. "And, since when has honesty meant anything to you or Don White. You two make up lies and then feed each other from your own troughs." |
Thank you, Richard!!!
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/15/2014 1:27 AM, KC wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:20:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I don't think private sellers at gun shows or anywhere for that matter are criminals by nature, looking to break any laws. They may not have even known that the state law to check ID's existed. They are gun nuts, not professional dealers. === You can be sure that anyone with a booth at a gun show has been advised of their legal obligations and has signed a statement acknowledging those obligations. The organizers take care of such things to protect themselves from legal action. I think the problem here is the source and ones point of view of the source. Dick trusts the source (in this case CNN) go give you the straight skinny so he takes the limited info they gave us as gospel. If you take those numbers as a fair stat on illegal gun sales, you come to about 25% dirty sales. On the other hand 1, many here don't take CNN as fair and balanced since they have been caught red handed in the past taking sides, secondly, the real time personal experience of each and ever gun buyer on this group would suggest that it's nowhere near 25%, again suggesting CNN possibly didn't play straight, and with their history, I give the weight to that side of the story.. but then again, I wear a tin hat, I mean, I think MSNBC is biased too :) The CNN thing was not a documentary on the percentage of illegal gun sales or even the number of attempts at buying. It was very simply a demonstration of how easy it was to purchase a bunch of firearms over a weekend with no questions asked. That's all it was. If you want to believe it was all scripted and made with hired actors, that's your call. It did not really show how easy was to buy firearms off grid. They admitted to 600 miles of driving and 5 gun shows to buy 3 guns. That does not look easy. Easy is going to the hood and buying stolen guns. Just convince them you are not police. There was a Scotland Yard detective probably 20 years ago, who was anti gun, who wrote a paper on how easy it was to buy a handgun off the street in London. And handguns had been banned for many years by that time. I saw one of the expose' shows where they bought a couple guns in Idaho. Made it look easy. But they admitted to being turned down a lot. When my father went to the hospital when the cancer got to him, someone broke in and robbed all the guns except for one 22 rifle. This was before the requirements of safes. Those weapons could easily be used for crimes, and would be sold off grid. Buying for criminals is most likely easy and cheaper than buying legally. |
Thank you, Richard!!!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:12:45 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:44:07 -0800, jps wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:54 AM, KC wrote: On 11/13/2014 7:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote: It was a great discussion. However, the failure of many to agree with Luddite caused a degree of frustration which resulted in some comments not taken well. It's a damn shame that a difference of opinion can't simply be accepted. Very sad! It is strange how some folks handle opposition when they feel they are smarter than everyone else in the room... Even if they are, I have always found that new blood can lead to new innovations and even new attitudes... I think these types of folks are ripping themselves off. Common sense is not an indicator of "smartness". Debate and discussion is how controversial issues are resolved. When the issue is a social problem it is the responsibility of all to contribute to the solution. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't count. In the end, those who push strongly enough win. Those who cling to the status quo end up getting run over. Better to be a participant. Hear, hear. You missed this: "The crime rate has been dropping for decades. Nobody ever got anyone to "tune in" to hear a story about how great things are going and we are safer than ever. It is all "Things that are going to kill you, details at 11" (Greg) Hear, hear. The crime rate has been dropping and so has the percentage of Americans owning guns. And yet the number of deaths by gun is maintaining at a constant. So either more crime related deaths are being committed by gun or more people are killing themselves by gun. Crime rate includes burglary, robbery, rape, assualt, etc. Is there a relationship between more guns being owned by fewer Americans and the crime rate? How's the death by gun rate of K-12 and Higher Ed doing? What I do know is that the more guns that a society owns, the more deaths are as a result of guns and death rates per capita climb. |
Thank you, Richard!!!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:35:36 -0500, Harrold wrote:
On 11/15/2014 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:55:46 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 11/15/2014 7:26 AM, True North wrote: FlatulentOne sez.... "I've been trying to ignore your remarks because you seem to have issues. But you crossed the line. You are an ungrateful little snot. And you know what I mean. " Bingo! You're finally making some sense. It was my impression a few years ago that Richard made a substantial contribution to the MickeyMouse racing team and who knows what else to help out the little PeterPan/Tinkerbell deadbeat on his mis-adventures. You'd think L'il Snot would keep this in mind. On the other hand, maybe we just think differently up here. Every year we thank the good people of Boston and the state of Mass for the help they generously gave us 97 years ago in our hour of need. **** you, Donnie. Fix your boisenberry. It has line length issues. Go to 'View' and click on 'Word Wrap'. That worked for me. I don't see a word wrap option. Ah, you're not using Agent. Maybe under 'message views' or some such? Agent just sizes the lines to fit the window in which the posts appear. |
Thank you, Richard!!!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:40:19 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: On Saturday, 15 November 2014 13:34:04 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:57:01 AM UTC-5, True North wrote: On Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:45:52 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:16:58 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/15/14 10:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:37:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote: Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made to a participant in this newsgroup: I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself. You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here. It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I was not alone in lending some help during a rough time. Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok? Since when has honesty meant anything to White or Krause? One of the few remaining delights of rec.boats is to see vile posts like these from right-wing trash like Herring and others and then shortly afterwards see posts from them whining about the "atmosphere" here. Who's whining? Luddite had a rightful complaint. Don was out of line. Nothing new there. And, since when has honesty meant anything to you or Don White. You two make up lies and then feed each other from your own troughs. I think we've been darn accurate profiling you. "Bang on"... as y'all like to say down there. BTW I apologized to Richard...why is it any of your business to continue bringing up this issue in the newsgroup? My response was to Krause. Direct your whine to him. Duh! You named me directly.. here, read this again if you've forgotten already. "And, since when has honesty meant anything to you or Don White. You two make up lies and then feed each other from your own troughs." There's not a thing there about Richard. I named you directly as I stated a simple fact. Since when has honesty meant anything to you or Harold Krause? You two make up lies and then feed each other from your own troughs. |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:54:35 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:12:45 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:44:07 -0800, jps wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:54 AM, KC wrote: On 11/13/2014 7:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote: It was a great discussion. However, the failure of many to agree with Luddite caused a degree of frustration which resulted in some comments not taken well. It's a damn shame that a difference of opinion can't simply be accepted. Very sad! It is strange how some folks handle opposition when they feel they are smarter than everyone else in the room... Even if they are, I have always found that new blood can lead to new innovations and even new attitudes... I think these types of folks are ripping themselves off. Common sense is not an indicator of "smartness". Debate and discussion is how controversial issues are resolved. When the issue is a social problem it is the responsibility of all to contribute to the solution. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't count. In the end, those who push strongly enough win. Those who cling to the status quo end up getting run over. Better to be a participant. Hear, hear. You missed this: "The crime rate has been dropping for decades. Nobody ever got anyone to "tune in" to hear a story about how great things are going and we are safer than ever. It is all "Things that are going to kill you, details at 11" (Greg) Hear, hear. The crime rate has been dropping and so has the percentage of Americans owning guns. How could you possibly know that? Survey? Registered guns? If I were called, I wouldn't volunteer any information about guns I own. (Of course, they could, as Luddite says, find bits and pieces by reading enough crap online. And yet the number of deaths by gun is maintaining at a constant. So either more crime related deaths are being committed by gun or more people are killing themselves by gun. Ah, the population is increasing - especially in those cultures where shooting each other is the norm. Crime rate includes burglary, robbery, rape, assualt, etc. Is there a relationship between more guns being owned by fewer Americans and the crime rate? Is there a relationship between hoods on the streets of Chicago, Flint, NO, etc, and the crime rate? Are you implying that all burglaries, robberies, rapes, assaults, etc., are committed with guns? What's your point? How's the death by gun rate of K-12 and Higher Ed doing? How far back are you going? Check it out... http://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeind...table_01_1.asp What I do know is that the more guns that a society owns, the more deaths are as a result of guns and death rates per capita climb. Actually that really depends on the society. Perhaps you should look at Switzerland. |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:52:52 -0500, BAR wrote: The only purpose of registration is to enable confiscation. No, it also enables direct taxation. It will start as a "reasonable"registration fee and then, just like car tags, it will become another profit center for the cities and states. Just like cigarette taxes, those without any guns will have no problem allowing the tax to increase to prohibitive levels. You only have to look at some of the taxes proposed so far, like the nickel a bullet tax proposed in California, the $25 a gun tax in Chicago and the 5% excise tax on everything shooting related in New Jersey. Once a tax structure is in place, raising the tax is virtually a stroke of a bureaucrat's pen. Just look at cigarettes. Taxes are used to prevent use. New York at $4.35 a pack. To Mo. At $0.17 a pack. |
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jps wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:12:45 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:44:07 -0800, jps wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:54 AM, KC wrote: On 11/13/2014 7:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote: It was a great discussion. However, the failure of many to agree with Luddite caused a degree of frustration which resulted in some comments not taken well. It's a damn shame that a difference of opinion can't simply be accepted. Very sad! It is strange how some folks handle opposition when they feel they are smarter than everyone else in the room... Even if they are, I have always found that new blood can lead to new innovations and even new attitudes... I think these types of folks are ripping themselves off. Common sense is not an indicator of "smartness". Debate and discussion is how controversial issues are resolved. When the issue is a social problem it is the responsibility of all to contribute to the solution. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't count. In the end, those who push strongly enough win. Those who cling to the status quo end up getting run over. Better to be a participant. Hear, hear. You missed this: "The crime rate has been dropping for decades. Nobody ever got anyone to "tune in" to hear a story about how great things are going and we are safer than ever. It is all "Things that are going to kill you, details at 11" (Greg) Hear, hear. The crime rate has been dropping and so has the percentage of Americans owning guns. And yet the number of deaths by gun is maintaining at a constant. So either more crime related deaths are being committed by gun or more people are killing themselves by gun. Crime rate includes burglary, robbery, rape, assualt, etc. Is there a relationship between more guns being owned by fewer Americans and the crime rate? How's the death by gun rate of K-12 and Higher Ed doing? What I do know is that the more guns that a society owns, the more deaths are as a result of guns and death rates per capita climb. Cite that gun ownership is dropping. Not some telephone poll! There has been a massive purchasing of firearms I the last 6+ years. |
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