Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:37:37 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote:


Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made
to a participant in this newsgroup:

I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself.
You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here.

It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I
was not alone in lending some help during a rough time.

Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok?

I apologize to you if my comments caused you some concern, I'm sure you know that wasn't my intention.
Anything I comment on has already been posted in this newsgroup...I have no secret source of information.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't converse with any of the newsgroup participants privately...except for a couple of welcome calls from Tim per year...and maybe a yearly e-mail from Harry when a certain circumstance arises.
My motivation is to expose certain posters for their true character... after numerous attacks, threats etc against me, my wife and son, let alone repeated posting of personal information and google images of a house they claim to be mine.
As far as those two... nothing is off the table..except of course low life attacks against their families. Even I wouldn't stoop that low.
In the future I will refrain from mentioning your name in my exposure of their flaws.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 04:49:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/15/2014 1:27 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/14/2014 8:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:20:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think private sellers at gun shows or anywhere for that matter
are criminals by nature, looking to break any laws. They may not have
even known that the state law to check ID's existed. They are gun nuts,
not professional dealers.

===

You can be sure that anyone with a booth at a gun show has been
advised of their legal obligations and has signed a statement
acknowledging those obligations. The organizers take care of such
things to protect themselves from legal action.



I think the problem here is the source and ones point of view of the
source. Dick trusts the source (in this case CNN) go give you the
straight skinny so he takes the limited info they gave us as gospel. If
you take those numbers as a fair stat on illegal gun sales, you come to
about 25% dirty sales. On the other hand 1, many here don't take CNN as
fair and balanced since they have been caught red handed in the past
taking sides, secondly, the real time personal experience of each and
ever gun buyer on this group would suggest that it's nowhere near 25%,
again suggesting CNN possibly didn't play straight, and with their
history, I give the weight to that side of the story.. but then again, I
wear a tin hat, I mean, I think MSNBC is biased too :)


The CNN thing was not a documentary on the percentage of illegal gun
sales or even the number of attempts at buying. It was very simply a
demonstration of how easy it was to purchase a bunch of firearms over a
weekend with no questions asked.

That's all it was. If you want to believe it was all scripted and made
with hired actors, that's your call.


The show was designed to show 'ease of purchase'. Would you deny that?
Given it's purpose, do you think they *honestly* portrayed the events?

If you do, then you're quite naive.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:55:46 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/15/2014 7:26 AM, True North wrote:
FlatulentOne sez....
"I've been trying to ignore your remarks because you seem to have issues.
But you crossed the line. You are an ungrateful little snot. And you
know what I mean. "


Bingo!
You're finally making some sense.
It was my impression a few years ago that Richard made a substantial contribution to the MickeyMouse racing team and who knows what else to help out the little PeterPan/Tinkerbell deadbeat on his mis-adventures.
You'd think L'il Snot would keep this in mind.
On the other hand, maybe we just think differently up here. Every year we thank the good people of Boston and the state of Mass for the help they generously gave us 97 years ago in our hour of need.

**** you, Donnie.
Fix your boisenberry. It has line length issues.

Go to 'View' and click on 'Word Wrap'. That worked for me.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:41:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/15/2014 4:49 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2014 1:27 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/14/2014 8:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:20:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think private sellers at gun shows or anywhere for that matter
are criminals by nature, looking to break any laws. They may not have
even known that the state law to check ID's existed. They are gun
nuts,
not professional dealers.

===

You can be sure that anyone with a booth at a gun show has been
advised of their legal obligations and has signed a statement
acknowledging those obligations. The organizers take care of such
things to protect themselves from legal action.



I think the problem here is the source and ones point of view of the
source. Dick trusts the source (in this case CNN) go give you the
straight skinny so he takes the limited info they gave us as gospel. If
you take those numbers as a fair stat on illegal gun sales, you come to
about 25% dirty sales. On the other hand 1, many here don't take CNN as
fair and balanced since they have been caught red handed in the past
taking sides, secondly, the real time personal experience of each and
ever gun buyer on this group would suggest that it's nowhere near 25%,
again suggesting CNN possibly didn't play straight, and with their
history, I give the weight to that side of the story.. but then again, I
wear a tin hat, I mean, I think MSNBC is biased too :)


The CNN thing was not a documentary on the percentage of illegal gun
sales or even the number of attempts at buying. It was very simply a
demonstration of how easy it was to purchase a bunch of firearms over a
weekend with no questions asked.

That's all it was. If you want to believe it was all scripted and made
with hired actors, that's your call.


Again, I didn't say that, I am starting to think you are too stupid to
see beyond the hyperbole...

Name calling unnecessary. Let them do it.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:37:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote:


Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made
to a participant in this newsgroup:

I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself.
You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here.

It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I
was not alone in lending some help during a rough time.

Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok?


Since when has honesty meant anything to White or Krause?

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 00:28:33 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:05:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2014 11:41 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:03:09 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/14/14 10:59 AM, wrote:


That reading thing again. I was pointing out that there were already
laws that would have prevented the CNN crew from legally purchasing
the guns they bought and they still bought them. The thing that ****ed
Richard off was when I pointed out that they had to drive over 600
miles, visit 5 gun shows just to find 3 illegal sellers.
If you know anything about TV at all you know they had hours of
footage of people following the law that ended up on the cutting room
floor to get the "70 seconds" they used.



Perfectly legal in "gun show loophole states" like Virginia for
individuals to sell their regulated firearms to someone without
an instant check.

I ask again, why did CNN go to Tennessee, North Carolina and South
Carolina then? Were they saying there are no gun shows in Georgia or
are they not saying that those sellers wanted them to walk over to the
instant check booth first?

That is the problem with TV, you only see what the producer wants you
to see.


Maybe they decided to pick three nearby states within reasonable driving
distance and see how each compared in terms of easy of buying.

Yeah a 600 mile road trip is reasonable when there is a gun show in
Atlanta just about every weekend. There are 6 this month within an
hour's drive. Why did they have to make that grand loop if this
problem is so pervasive?

I just watched it again to get their story as accurate as I can.
They actually went to shows in Georgia, Tennessee and South Carolina.
(They did not visit North Carolina)

They showed they went to North Carolina on the map and they did not
tell us about the other 2 shows they attended. (they said a total of
5)
I do not think it unreasonable to think they stopped off at a show in
North Carolina. So what if they didn't?


They purchased twice in Tennessee and once in South Carolina for a total
of four (4) guns. One Tennessee purchase was for two (2) Glocks.

They also reported that they were asked for ID's three times, once in
each of the states visited.

I was going on what they showed tape of.
So what?
Are you really going to say they only talked to SIX sellers in 2 days
at 5 shows? That is still ludicrous

If you actually watch and listen to the recorded conversations, it's
hard to conceive that this whole thing was scripted.

The narration is clearly scripted and probably recorded several times
until they got it just the way they wanted it. Most of the "facts" are
in the narration with short clips of actual conversation, taken
largely out of context.

That is, of course, unless you think everyone they talked to are actors,
hired to play a part. If you believe that, more power to you.



Just look at what you actually saw. You had some B roll from a guy
with a hidden camera walking around a gun show and the narrator
talking over the shot. He sets up a sound bite. The "seller" says a
sentence or two, then the narrator takes over again and tells you what
you are supposed to take away from that. There is no context, you
don't know what was said before or after the little clip. You only
have what the narrator says happened.




Well said.

And...the purpose of the show was to sway opinion, as it definitely
did in Luddite's case.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On 11/15/2014 10:48 AM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:37:37 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote:


Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made
to a participant in this newsgroup:

I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself.
You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here.

It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I
was not alone in lending some help during a rough time.

Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok?

I apologize to you if my comments caused you some concern, I'm sure you know that wasn't my intention.
Anything I comment on has already been posted in this newsgroup...I have no secret source of information.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't converse with any of the newsgroup participants privately...except for a couple of welcome calls from Tim per year...and maybe a yearly e-mail from Harry when a certain circumstance arises.
My motivation is to expose certain posters for their true character... after numerous attacks, threats etc against me, my wife and son, let alone repeated posting of personal information and google images of a house they claim to be mine.
As far as those two... nothing is off the table..except of course low life attacks against their families. Even I wouldn't stoop that low.
In the future I will refrain from mentioning your name in my exposure of their flaws.


What a ****ing jackass... You will stoop to any level to make yourself
feel better... Just go out and get a life like the rest of us and get
back with me.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On 11/15/2014 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:41:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/15/2014 4:49 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2014 1:27 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/14/2014 8:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:20:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think private sellers at gun shows or anywhere for that matter
are criminals by nature, looking to break any laws. They may not have
even known that the state law to check ID's existed. They are gun
nuts,
not professional dealers.

===

You can be sure that anyone with a booth at a gun show has been
advised of their legal obligations and has signed a statement
acknowledging those obligations. The organizers take care of such
things to protect themselves from legal action.



I think the problem here is the source and ones point of view of the
source. Dick trusts the source (in this case CNN) go give you the
straight skinny so he takes the limited info they gave us as gospel. If
you take those numbers as a fair stat on illegal gun sales, you come to
about 25% dirty sales. On the other hand 1, many here don't take CNN as
fair and balanced since they have been caught red handed in the past
taking sides, secondly, the real time personal experience of each and
ever gun buyer on this group would suggest that it's nowhere near 25%,
again suggesting CNN possibly didn't play straight, and with their
history, I give the weight to that side of the story.. but then again, I
wear a tin hat, I mean, I think MSNBC is biased too :)


The CNN thing was not a documentary on the percentage of illegal gun
sales or even the number of attempts at buying. It was very simply a
demonstration of how easy it was to purchase a bunch of firearms over a
weekend with no questions asked.

That's all it was. If you want to believe it was all scripted and made
with hired actors, that's your call.


Again, I didn't say that, I am starting to think you are too stupid to
see beyond the hyperbole...

Name calling unnecessary. Let them do it.


Sorry, it was a reaction to continually having words put in our mouth....

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:44:07 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2014 8:54 AM, KC wrote:
On 11/13/2014 7:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:


It was a great discussion. However, the failure of many to agree with
Luddite caused a degree of frustration which resulted in some comments
not taken well.

It's a damn shame that a difference of opinion can't simply be
accepted. Very sad!

It is strange how some folks handle opposition when they feel they are
smarter than everyone else in the room... Even if they are, I have
always found that new blood can lead to new innovations and even new
attitudes... I think these types of folks are ripping themselves off.





Common sense is not an indicator of "smartness".

Debate and discussion is how controversial issues are resolved. When
the issue is a social problem it is the responsibility of all to
contribute to the solution. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending
the problem doesn't exist doesn't count.

In the end, those who push strongly enough win. Those who cling to the
status quo end up getting run over. Better to be a participant.

Hear, hear.

You missed this:

"The crime rate has been dropping for decades.
Nobody ever got anyone to "tune in" to hear a story about how great
things are going and we are safer than ever.

It is all "Things that are going to kill you, details at 11"

(Greg)


Hear, hear.

Thank you, Richard!!!
 

On 11/15/14 10:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:37:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/15/2014 8:49 AM, True North wrote:


Don, referring to a recent post you made regarding "contributions" made
to a participant in this newsgroup:

I request that you keep any knowledge of that circumstance to yourself.
You don't know what the story was and you are misrepresenting it here.

It was a long time ago, had nothing to do with motorcycle racing and I
was not alone in lending some help during a rough time.

Some things should be off the table in terms of discussion. Ok?


Since when has honesty meant anything to White or Krause?


One of the few remaining delights of rec.boats is to see vile posts like
these from right-wing trash like Herring and others and then shortly
afterwards see posts from them whining about the "atmosphere" here.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.