On 10/31/2014 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:04:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:27:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


No matter. My firearms are registered with the state. According to
some here I should be expecting the police to come knocking on my door
any day now to confiscate them.


More likely is they would just start taxing you on them. It won't take
long before someone points out how much maintaining all of those
records costs the tax payer and they will want you to pay for it.

I still have not heard of a single crime that was prevented by having
some of the guns registered.



Heh. What do you expect to hear?


CNN Breaking News!

Joe Blow of Bum**** Arkansas acknowledged to police today that he
decided *not* to shoot his nagging mother-in-law.

When asked why he reached that decision, Mr. Blow stated that his gun
was registered.


Thanks for making my point. In every one of these school shootings the
gun was traced back to the shooter or the shooter's family and they
all had passed background checks.



And the fact that they could be traced is a good thing.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/

On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:01:56 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 2:38 PM, wrote:

Thanks for making my point. In every one of these school shootings the
gun was traced back to the shooter or the shooter's family and they
all had passed background checks.

And the fact that they could be traced is a good thing.

How so? How would the outcome be any different if the guns were untraceable?

On 10/31/2014 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:22:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:26:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 9:18:35 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 9:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

I've not seen a whole lot of fighting over background checks.

Are you serious? You apparently have a short memory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html

What I beleive he meant is that the American public hasn't been railing against background checks. Your linked article even points out that the measure had a 90% public approval rating. It was the politicians that didn't get the job done.

They really do not explain what "universal background check" means.

If they explained that I could not give my wife a shotgun for
christmas without her submitting to a background check and having a
federally licensed person do the "transfer", they might get a better
feel for it.
If I just buy the gun myself and give it to her with a bow on it under
the tree, I am a "straw buyer" and she is an illegal gun owner.



I think the main issue is making unreported sales of firearms at gun
shows and similar venues. I remember one reporter who was able to buy
anything he wanted at a show with no check, no questions asked.


How many crime guns have actually been traced to a gun show?
You do understand a licensed dealer still needs to record "private"
sales I suppose.



Sure. In many states he "records" it in his little black book that is
subject to audit ... maybe. Wasn't that the case in the kid who used
his mother's gun to shoot up some kids at a school? The ATF hadn't
checked his books for years.

It also doesn't stop a private or gun show dealer sale of a firearm to a
person legally prohibited from owning one. That was proven by the TV
investigation where they sent a guy to gun shows and he was able to buy
anything he wanted with no background check performed.

On 10/31/2014 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:01:56 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 2:38 PM, wrote:

Thanks for making my point. In every one of these school shootings the
gun was traced back to the shooter or the shooter's family and they
all had passed background checks.

And the fact that they could be traced is a good thing.

How so? How would the outcome be any different if the guns were untraceable?



It wouldn't in that case. But in the case of a murder or homicide the
ability to trace ownership may help lead to the person responsible.

Raises another question. Ever wonder why a new gun comes with a spent
shell in the box or case?

On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most of the time...

On 10/31/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention



I don't know about other states but in MA the license plates (or "tags"
as some call them) have a coating designed to optimally reflect the
lasers used in speed traps. It's the preferred "target".

Some of the old MA plates were issued with one plate only .. to be
mounted on the rear of the car. Can't get them anymore. Cops want two
plates and require both to be on the car.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:53:41 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:01:56 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 2:38 PM, wrote:

Thanks for making my point. In every one of these school shootings the
gun was traced back to the shooter or the shooter's family and they
all had passed background checks.

And the fact that they could be traced is a good thing.

How so? How would the outcome be any different if the guns were untraceable?



It wouldn't in that case. But in the case of a murder or homicide the
ability to trace ownership may help lead to the person responsible.

Only if the weapon is recovered. And it could point the finger at an innocent person that had the gun stolen or otherwise removed from their custody before the event.


Raises another question. Ever wonder why a new gun comes with a spent
shell in the box or case?

To test functionality. And/Or, to build a database of gun "fingerprints", i.e. bullet striations. That info, along with registration, can lead back to the owner.

On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most of the time...



Why bother with a detector then?

Cracks me up to what extent people will go to break a law without
getting caught ... hopefully.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:00:41 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention



I don't know about other states but in MA the license plates (or "tags"
as some call them) have a coating designed to optimally reflect the
lasers used in speed traps. It's the preferred "target".

Some of the old MA plates were issued with one plate only .. to be
mounted on the rear of the car. Can't get them anymore. Cops want two
plates and require both to be on the car.

SC only has one plate, mounted on the rear. I don't run a front "vanity" plate for that very reason.