On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most of the time...



Why bother with a detector then?

Because when the detector saves you from just one ticket, it pays for itself. I like to drive with a purpose. I'm currently ticket-free, and have been for many years. :-

On 10/31/2014 4:02 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:53:41 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:01:56 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 2:38 PM, wrote:

Thanks for making my point. In every one of these school shootings the
gun was traced back to the shooter or the shooter's family and they
all had passed background checks.

And the fact that they could be traced is a good thing.

How so? How would the outcome be any different if the guns were untraceable?



It wouldn't in that case. But in the case of a murder or homicide the
ability to trace ownership may help lead to the person responsible.

Only if the weapon is recovered. And it could point the finger at an innocent person that had the gun stolen or otherwise removed from their custody before the event.


Raises another question. Ever wonder why a new gun comes with a spent
shell in the box or case?

To test functionality. And/Or, to build a database of gun "fingerprints", i.e. bullet striations. That info, along with registration, can lead back to the owner.



I suspect the latter.

On 10/31/2014 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most of the time...



Why bother with a detector then?

Because when the detector saves you from just one ticket, it pays for itself. I like to drive with a purpose. I'm currently ticket-free, and have been for many years. :-



The older I get the slower I drive. I'll probably get a ticket for
impeding traffic in a few more years. :-)

I am not in any big hurry to get anywhere anymore and I've outgrown the
thrill of speed. I've had a couple of cars that were pretty fast and
high performance. Problem was, there's no place to use them to their
potential unless you go to a closed race track.

On 10/31/2014 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:00:41 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention



I don't know about other states but in MA the license plates (or "tags"
as some call them) have a coating designed to optimally reflect the
lasers used in speed traps. It's the preferred "target".

Some of the old MA plates were issued with one plate only .. to be
mounted on the rear of the car. Can't get them anymore. Cops want two
plates and require both to be on the car.

SC only has one plate, mounted on the rear. I don't run a front "vanity" plate for that very reason.


The cops use your headlights then as their secondary target.

Speaking of SC, I'll be making a trip down there soon to start scoping
out new house potentials. Was hoping the one up here would sell first
but winter is around the corner and we'd like to be out of here before
the snow starts flying.

On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:24:29 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:00:41 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention



I don't know about other states but in MA the license plates (or "tags"
as some call them) have a coating designed to optimally reflect the
lasers used in speed traps. It's the preferred "target".

Some of the old MA plates were issued with one plate only .. to be
mounted on the rear of the car. Can't get them anymore. Cops want two
plates and require both to be on the car.

SC only has one plate, mounted on the rear. I don't run a front "vanity" plate for that very reason.


The cops use your headlights then as their secondary target.

Heh. That should really scatter the laser!

Speaking of SC, I'll be making a trip down there soon to start scoping
out new house potentials. Was hoping the one up here would sell first
but winter is around the corner and we'd like to be out of here before
the snow starts flying.

What area? Winter is coming quick. We're getting our first freeze this Sunday. Back in the 70's next week, though.

On 10/31/2014 4:38 PM, wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:24:29 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Speaking of SC, I'll be making a trip down there soon to start scoping
out new house potentials. Was hoping the one up here would sell first
but winter is around the corner and we'd like to be out of here before
the snow starts flying.

What area? Winter is coming quick. We're getting our first freeze this Sunday. Back in the 70's next week, though.


We'll be looking on the coast. (Another boat is part of the plan).

My eldest son and his family moved there about 2 and a half years ago.
They are in the Mt. Pleasant area ... very close to Isle of Palms.
I stopped at the Isle of Palms Marina on the way to Florida many years
ago and I think his house is less than 5 miles away.

On 10/31/2014 11:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 10:22 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/31/2014 9:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:18:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 9:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:41:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 7:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:32:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/30/2014 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:45:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/30/2014 8:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:48:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

Of course, there are the hard core gun nuts who jump to the
claim that
registration automatically means confiscation someday. I
don't think we
will ever see that happen.

===

Based on the way things seem to be going, I don't think you
can rule
it out. Rights are eroded one small step at a time. I don't
consider myself to be a hard core gun nut but do try to read
the tea
leaves and check which way the wind is blowing.



I guess I've been reading different tea leaves.

If there has ever been a period for advocates of gun bans
and/or repeal
of the 2A to be successful it was in the recent 18 month period
that
involved something like 74 separate mass school shootings.

Can you cite one of those shootings that would have been stopped
with
a stronger background check or gun registration? They had no
problem
tracking every one of these guns back to a legal buyer, usually
the
parent or the shooter himself.


They couldn't even get a universal background check approved.

Why bother to pass an unenforceable law, at least not against the
people you are trying to keep the gun away from.




That's not the point Greg. We were discussing the
possibilities or
probabilities of guns being banned or revoking the 2A. My point
was
that if there was ever a reason for those who would advocate a
ban it
would have been the recent 74 mass school shootings. It wasn't
enough
to even get universal background checks supported. That's why I
don't
think you'll ever see a general ban of firearms in our lifetime
or of
the next two or three generations.

No. We're talking about ways the 2A can be circumvented by smart,
tricky liberal politicians.


Which can happen under any circumstances. It is already and is
likely
to continue.

That's the problem.

So, instead of giving them the argument that no discussion,
negotiation
or compromise is possible with gun-owners, take that political
ammunition away by being willing to work with them and be willing to
accept non-invasion rules on your "rights" like background checks and
registration.

I've no problem with background checks.

If you seriously think the liberals are going to take your guns away,
don't register your presently owned firearms.

OK, I won't.

What it does it takes away some of the "right-wing crazies"
rhetoric and
gives them a pseudo political victory that really doesn't mean
anything
or affect your right to bear arms.


I've not seen a whole lot of fighting over background checks.



Are you serious? You apparently have a short memory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html



That was the 'expanded' background check. We have a background check
in place: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

The bill you sited shows that liberals are never satisfied. Once a
compromise is reached, they go for the next step.


Yet I get trolled for saying the exact thing... lol!


Maybe it's the way you say it.



Doubt it, you just can't help yourself...

On 10/31/2014 1:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:46:41 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/31/2014 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:14:56 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/31/2014 7:33 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

All of that looks like any given month in Chicago, which has some of
the most restrictive laws in the country.

Why don't the cops use those laws to confiscate guns from criminals?

Because the criminals do not register them.


Don't they know who the bad guys are?

===

They absolutely do but if they stop them without probable cause then
they are racist profilers. It's a no win situation.


Stop and frisk was stopped in NYC, pretty much for the same reasons
voter ID's are so strongly fought against... so the crims can continue
to be crims...

On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most of the time...


I don't get it.. to me a radar decector means you don't really give a
**** about me or my family, you are gonna' do what ever you want, kind
of like that nurse in Maine who could care less about the quarantine
cause she thinks she is just entitled to put others in danger. Selfish
people use radar detectors to go faster than their elected officials
think they should go to protect themselves and others... and probably
call the cops when somebody speeds by their house, after all, they are
selfish.... lol!

On 10/31/2014 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 31, 2014 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:36:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:

These days they are pretty useless anyway because all of these cars
with collision avoidance systems trip them.

Not really. The newer detectors are *much* smarter, and the
adaptive cruise controls and collision avoidance systems don't
even register on them.

This is the one I have:
https://www.escortradar.com/PassportMax2/
Dies it really help that much these days with the triggered guns
and
the lasers?
Since I left Maryland, the speed trap capital of the world, I really
have not been paying much attention

Yes and no. With the instant-on or pulse guns, you're depending on
it being used on someone traveling in front of you so you get the
alert. You have to be pretty close to the gun for it to measure
your speed, but the detector can pick it up from a very long
distance. Even if they don't clock someone first, if you are quick
enough with the brakes you may still knock enough off before it
locks in to avoid a ticket.

With laser you're hoping to get a scattered laser signal when they
clock someone else. Good news is that they must be stationary and
can't shoot you through a closed window. Laser, at least around
here, is rare.

So they do work, but you have to be vigilant and pay attention to
traffic and your situation. Hey, that sounds like driving, at least
what you're supposed to do!

Bottom line, you can't set your speed at 20 over and blindly drive
like the old days of X and K band that was always on. Personally, I
never go any faster than I'm willing to get caught for. Well, most
of the time...



Why bother with a detector then?

Because when the detector saves you from just one ticket, it pays for
itself. I like to drive with a purpose. I'm currently ticket-free,
and have been for many years. :-



The older I get the slower I drive. I'll probably get a ticket for
impeding traffic in a few more years. :-)

I am not in any big hurry to get anywhere anymore and I've outgrown the
thrill of speed. I've had a couple of cars that were pretty fast and
high performance. Problem was, there's no place to use them to their
potential unless you go to a closed race track.





Yup, my dad raised me to "never make up for lost time behind the
wheel"... and I don't. Well, maybe twice that I can remember, once was
getting a guy with a broken arm and no pulse to his hand to the ER...
But other than that, I don't. Hey, I'm not perfect, I routinely set my
cc to 72-73 on the highway when the speed limit is 65... But I rarely if
ever get above 10 over...

I got a bunch of grief in my community (motorcycle racing) after I had
no pity for a street stunter/racer who got killed.. My opinion is if you
are that good, take it to a track and prove it against other pro's, not
against grandma on the interstate.... If you ain't good enough to be
picked up by a team, or pay for track days, stop stunting/racing. I
indicated my feeling for those who play with my life on the streets and
it did not go over to well with some...