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Particularly when you understand the whole conversation was simply a
diversion from my question about how ISIS had anything to do with
George Bush.

I guess the invasion of Iraq didn't upset the Arab/Muslim apple cart.
But you can lay all the ills of the Israel/Arab problems at the feet of
Roosevelt/Trumsn 70 year ago.
Okay.

Califbill

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Particularly when you understand the whole conversation was simply a
diversion from my question about how ISIS had anything to do with
George Bush.

I guess the invasion of Iraq didn't upset the Arab/Muslim apple cart.
But you can lay all the ills of the Israel/Arab problems at the feet of
Roosevelt/Trumsn 70 year ago.
Okay.

They were also the basis for Viet Nam. Truman should not have let France
have back indochina. And DeGaul told Ike to stay out after Dien Bien Phu.
Ike did not listen.

Boating All Out

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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:59:58 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:

Tell me again how the ISIS problem was Bush's fault.
ISIS was created in Syria.

Maybe it's Clinton's fault. He did nothing bomb lots of civilians for 8
years. .??

It is strange that the left does not say much about the half million
Iraqis that died during the Clinton years, mostly children.

Sure. Clinton caused 500,000 deaths, mostly children, in Iraq.
Sure. According to Baghdad Bob.

F*O*A*D

On 10/13/14 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:14:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/13/14 1:47 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:12:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/13/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2014 11:31 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/13/14 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/13/14 10:36 AM, wrote:

So you admit you are just cherry picking the parts you want and
ridiculing the rest.

D'oh. I wasn't cherry picking anything, but simply explaining how
folkloric tales, many of which were common enough among our disparate
and distant ancestors, became written down, and that there were events
that stimulated the folk tales, and were earlier man's attempts to
explain what he didn't really know. As I stated, there is evidence of a
"great flood" in biblical times, and the story of Noah came about as a
way to explain it. That doesn't mean I think the story of Noah is for
real, it just means I understand the oral tradition and folklore.

That's not a difficult concept. I'm surprised you don't get it.

You are plucking out the parts you want to believe and ridiculing the
rest, that is cherry picking.

What percentage of the ~31,000 verses do you think are historical
fact?

Whoosh. Really. This discussion obviously is just too abstract for you.

Rope-a-dope

I don't see a victory for Ali Greg in this, since all I have stated is
that I understand how and why folk tales are the rationale for much of
what is in the bible.

When you don't understand the solar system or the fact that the earth
revolves around the sun or that crops tend to sprout in the spring, it's
understandable why you'd attribute day and night and growth to an item
of worship. When your ancestors talked about a horrific flood and that
story was passed down for centuries or longer, it's not that difficult
to understand why the tale of Noah came about.

Like I said, lotta dope, not much rope.

You have gone from ducking a challenge to one of your Bush fairy tales
to trying to justify a book you consistently call a fairy tale, just
to make one of your other specious arguments sound valid.

BTW if God gave Israel to the jews, why don't the christians get a
piece?
It is the center of their religion. There are no Jesus stories that
occur anywhere else, unless you are a mormon. If the place wasn't such
a **** hole, I might want to "return"

I'm not justifying anything. I am merely trying to explain how folk
tales became "codified," as it were, into the bible. As for Jesus, I
don't believe the tales about him in the new testament are any more
valid than the noah story.

So the only valid part of the bible is the permission god gave to the
jews that they could conquer the Canaanites and take their land in
2000BC (or so) because he promised it to them.
That is a pattern repeated after WWII.

I don't recall posting anything like that. Get your imagination under
control.

--
The new GOP credo:

Hate the people who are being oppressed,
love the people who are doing the oppressing.

Califbill

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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:23:11 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

Particularly when you understand the whole conversation was simply a
diversion from my question about how ISIS had anything to do with
George Bush.

I guess the invasion of Iraq didn't upset the Arab/Muslim apple cart.
But you can lay all the ills of the Israel/Arab problems at the feet of
Roosevelt/Trumsn 70 year ago.
Okay.

They were also the basis for Viet Nam. Truman should not have let France
have back indochina. And DeGaul told Ike to stay out after Dien Bien Phu.
Ike did not listen.

Ike and JFK both believed this should be a covert operation in
Vietnam. It is far easier to extricate yourself from a war you are not
even admitting you are having. It was Johnson who lied to congress and
the American public (in the Gulf of Tonkin incident) to make it a
full commitment of troops. I never thought much of JFK but I do think
he was smart enough not to make it an all out war.
Even then, JFK did expand from Ike's 900 men to over 16,000 by 1963.
Five years later LBJ had over a half million there.

I think LBJ and Lady Bird looked at a very prosperous war. At least to
them and their people.

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