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Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/14 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:30:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:19:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/12/14 2:08 PM, wrote: You obviously are ignorant of Jewish history. Are you also ignorant of Psalms? When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they lamented: "If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I cease to think of you, if I do not keep Jerusalem in memory even at my happiest hour." Return to Israel was in the minds of the Jewish people long before Roosevelt and Truman. I thought you say the bible is a fairy tale. Now you are citing it as historical fact. If you are to believe the bible that was a conquest too. I've also said the old testament was mostly a history of a people, a collection of oral tradition stories put down in writing. Some of that history is history, and some of it -the supernatural part- is the attempt of earlier man trying to explain what he didn't understand. So Noah did build a big boat and put all the animals on it, Jonah lived inside a whale and the earth is 8,000 years old, OK. Make up your mind, is it a fact or fiction. You can't have it both ways. You can't just cherry pick the parts that support a land grab and ridicule the rest. Bear in mind this is the same book that says it is OK to beat your wife, advocates slavery, says you should stone adulterers and calls being gay an abomination. Hmm. Where did I say that I thought the story of Noah was real? Answer: nowhere. There is evidence of a substantial and devastating flood in that part of the world in biblical or pre-biblical times and there are folk tale variations of the "Noah saga" among other peoples. As I stated, earlier man looked for ways to explain what he didn't understand, and came up with supernatural folk tales...such as the one about Noah and of course, about a super creator. Had you taken some liberal arts courses, you might have gained an appreciation for oral traditions and the later writing down of same. Some parts of the old testament have contemporaneous validity in separate historical records and common traditions and others do not. That's the way it was, prior to Google, eh? I'm not saying you suffer from it, but...perhaps you might want to study up on Rigid Personality. Despite what you apparently think and believe, everything is *not* either/or. -- The new GOP credo: Hate the people who are being oppressed, love the people who are doing the oppressing. |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/2014 10:02 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/13/14 9:51 AM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:30:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:19:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/12/14 2:08 PM, wrote: You obviously are ignorant of Jewish history. Are you also ignorant of Psalms? When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they lamented: "If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I cease to think of you, if I do not keep Jerusalem in memory even at my happiest hour." Return to Israel was in the minds of the Jewish people long before Roosevelt and Truman. I thought you say the bible is a fairy tale. Now you are citing it as historical fact. If you are to believe the bible that was a conquest too. I've also said the old testament was mostly a history of a people, a collection of oral tradition stories put down in writing. Some of that history is history, and some of it -the supernatural part- is the attempt of earlier man trying to explain what he didn't understand. So Noah did build a big boat and put all the animals on it, Jonah lived inside a whale and the earth is 8,000 years old, OK. Make up your mind, is it a fact or fiction. You can't have it both ways. You can't just cherry pick the parts that support a land grab and ridicule the rest. Bear in mind this is the same book that says it is OK to beat your wife, advocates slavery, says you should stone adulterers and calls being gay an abomination. Hmm. Where did I say that I thought the story of Noah was real? Answer: nowhere. There is evidence of a substantial and devastating flood in that part of the world in biblical or pre-biblical times and there are folk tale variations of the "Noah saga" among other peoples. As I stated, earlier man looked for ways to explain what he didn't understand, and came up with supernatural folk tales...such as the one about Noah and of course, about a super creator. Had you taken some liberal arts courses, you might have gained an appreciation for oral traditions and the later writing down of same. Some parts of the old testament have contemporaneous validity in separate historical records and common traditions and others do not. That's the way it was, prior to Google, eh? I'm not saying you suffer from it, but...perhaps you might want to study up on Rigid Personality. Despite what you apparently think and believe, everything is *not* either/or. It's odd that you are soooo tolerant of Jews yet you despise other religions. |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/13/14 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:19:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/12/14 2:08 PM, wrote: You obviously are ignorant of Jewish history. Are you also ignorant of Psalms? When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they lamented: "If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I cease to think of you, if I do not keep Jerusalem in memory even at my happiest hour." Return to Israel was in the minds of the Jewish people long before Roosevelt and Truman. I thought you say the bible is a fairy tale. Now you are citing it as historical fact. If you are to believe the bible that was a conquest too. I've also said the old testament was mostly a history of a people, a collection of oral tradition stories put down in writing. Some of that history is history, and some of it -the supernatural part- is the attempt of earlier man trying to explain what he didn't understand. Similar to many of your posts of today. :-) |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/14 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:19:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/12/14 2:08 PM, wrote: You obviously are ignorant of Jewish history. Are you also ignorant of Psalms? When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they lamented: "If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I cease to think of you, if I do not keep Jerusalem in memory even at my happiest hour." Return to Israel was in the minds of the Jewish people long before Roosevelt and Truman. I thought you say the bible is a fairy tale. Now you are citing it as historical fact. If you are to believe the bible that was a conquest too. I've also said the old testament was mostly a history of a people, a collection of oral tradition stories put down in writing. Some of that history is history, and some of it -the supernatural part- is the attempt of earlier man trying to explain what he didn't understand. Similar to many of your posts of today. :-) You're really sliding down hill. My beliefs are different from yours, yet while I disagree with much of what you post of a political nature, I don't usually attack you personally. -- The new GOP credo: Hate the people who are being oppressed, love the people who are doing the oppressing. |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/2014 10:26 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/13/14 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/13/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:19:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/12/14 2:08 PM, wrote: You obviously are ignorant of Jewish history. Are you also ignorant of Psalms? When the Jews were exiled to Babylon, they lamented: "If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I cease to think of you, if I do not keep Jerusalem in memory even at my happiest hour." Return to Israel was in the minds of the Jewish people long before Roosevelt and Truman. I thought you say the bible is a fairy tale. Now you are citing it as historical fact. If you are to believe the bible that was a conquest too. I've also said the old testament was mostly a history of a people, a collection of oral tradition stories put down in writing. Some of that history is history, and some of it -the supernatural part- is the attempt of earlier man trying to explain what he didn't understand. Similar to many of your posts of today. :-) You're really sliding down hill. My beliefs are different from yours, yet while I disagree with much of what you post of a political nature, I don't usually attack you personally. True. I guess I am just getting tired of the same old BS over and over and over. It gets old after a while and I lose interest in trying to offer up alternative views. It's like someone who constantly talks about his/her kids as if no one else in the world has any child rearing experience. After a while they become less important to you. |
Grimes in Kentucky
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Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/14 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 10:36 AM, wrote: So you admit you are just cherry picking the parts you want and ridiculing the rest. D'oh. I wasn't cherry picking anything, but simply explaining how folkloric tales, many of which were common enough among our disparate and distant ancestors, became written down, and that there were events that stimulated the folk tales, and were earlier man's attempts to explain what he didn't really know. As I stated, there is evidence of a "great flood" in biblical times, and the story of Noah came about as a way to explain it. That doesn't mean I think the story of Noah is for real, it just means I understand the oral tradition and folklore. That's not a difficult concept. I'm surprised you don't get it. You are plucking out the parts you want to believe and ridiculing the rest, that is cherry picking. What percentage of the ~31,000 verses do you think are historical fact? Whoosh. Really. This discussion obviously is just too abstract for you. -- The new GOP credo: Hate the people who are being oppressed, love the people who are doing the oppressing. |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/2014 11:31 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/13/14 11:19 AM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 10:36 AM, wrote: So you admit you are just cherry picking the parts you want and ridiculing the rest. D'oh. I wasn't cherry picking anything, but simply explaining how folkloric tales, many of which were common enough among our disparate and distant ancestors, became written down, and that there were events that stimulated the folk tales, and were earlier man's attempts to explain what he didn't really know. As I stated, there is evidence of a "great flood" in biblical times, and the story of Noah came about as a way to explain it. That doesn't mean I think the story of Noah is for real, it just means I understand the oral tradition and folklore. That's not a difficult concept. I'm surprised you don't get it. You are plucking out the parts you want to believe and ridiculing the rest, that is cherry picking. What percentage of the ~31,000 verses do you think are historical fact? Whoosh. Really. This discussion obviously is just too abstract for you. Rope-a-dope |
Grimes in Kentucky
On 10/13/14 11:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2014 11:31 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 11:19 AM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/13/14 10:36 AM, wrote: So you admit you are just cherry picking the parts you want and ridiculing the rest. D'oh. I wasn't cherry picking anything, but simply explaining how folkloric tales, many of which were common enough among our disparate and distant ancestors, became written down, and that there were events that stimulated the folk tales, and were earlier man's attempts to explain what he didn't really know. As I stated, there is evidence of a "great flood" in biblical times, and the story of Noah came about as a way to explain it. That doesn't mean I think the story of Noah is for real, it just means I understand the oral tradition and folklore. That's not a difficult concept. I'm surprised you don't get it. You are plucking out the parts you want to believe and ridiculing the rest, that is cherry picking. What percentage of the ~31,000 verses do you think are historical fact? Whoosh. Really. This discussion obviously is just too abstract for you. Rope-a-dope I don't see a victory for Ali Greg in this, since all I have stated is that I understand how and why folk tales are the rationale for much of what is in the bible. When you don't understand the solar system or the fact that the earth revolves around the sun or that crops tend to sprout in the spring, it's understandable why you'd attribute day and night and growth to an item of worship. When your ancestors talked about a horrific flood and that story was passed down for centuries or longer, it's not that difficult to understand why the tale of Noah came about. -- The new GOP credo: Hate the people who are being oppressed, love the people who are doing the oppressing. |
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