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Salt water fishing is good, depending where you are. I was fishing off the
Santa Monica pier yesterday with the granddaughters. Couple mackerel and a
small calico bass. Sad about the lakes. Love Oroville. And was planning
on Union Valley Lake and Ice House later this month, but the King Fire at a
100k acres is too close I think. Was out with the boat 2 weeks ago, in the
delta, but boat problems prevented any decent fishing. Broke shifter,
frozen cable on the kicker. Decent Albacore Tuna fishing out of Fort Bragg
and Eureka.

On 9/29/14 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


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I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.



Florida...the next desert.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


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I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.



Florida...the next desert.

Actually the Democrats are the problem with the water here. They control
politics in California. AG controls politicians. Resnick of Beverly Hills
is one of the biggest donors to Dem's. Last water contract from the Feds,
was at $6-9 and acre foot, and can be resold. Reselling water that costs
the people $60 to deliver, for $300-1500 an acre foot. Before they could
not resell unused allotment. 40 year contract. 2000 AG got about 10
million acre feet. 2013 they got about 15 million acre feet.

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


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I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

BAR wrote:
In article 1303433033433735174.669339bmckeenospam-
, says...

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

Are you, the royal California you, still citing people for not watering
their yards?

We are allowed two 15 minute watering of the lawn a week in our area. Lots
of artificial lawns going in. We are required in our district 25%
reduction in usage. Seems to be no reduction, only a request in SoCal.

BAR wrote:
In article 1926133915433740400.112227bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article 1303433033433735174.669339bmckeenospam-
, says...

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

Are you, the royal California you, still citing people for not watering
their yards?

We are allowed two 15 minute watering of the lawn a week in our area. Lots
of artificial lawns going in. We are required in our district 25%
reduction in usage. Seems to be no reduction, only a request in SoCal.

Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

On 9/30/2014 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)



We still have a well, but they made us all put in sewer a while back,
Since we have a well, we pay about 350 /year in sewage tax.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:56:57 -0400, wrote:


On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:11:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 9/30/2014 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)



We still have a well, but they made us all put in sewer a while back,
Since we have a well, we pay about 350 /year in sewage tax.

I am still on well and septic but I am sure they will make us hook up
some day. The city system is at the end of the street. I wouldn't mind
the sewer but I am not thrilled with the city water. It is expensive
and basically the same water I am getting now. The wells they use are
in the same aquifer about a mile and a half away.
I think they will let me keep an "irrigation" well and I might do it
even though I do not really irrigate much.
I do have the plumbing separated anyway. It would be an easy hookup
for them..

When we lived in Tampa, there were lots of folks with 'irrigation'
wells and city water. That St Augustine grass did well on ground
water.

wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)

The problem is AG gets the water at $9 an acre foot. And can resell for
hundreds of $$$. And they get 80% of the water.