On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.

On 9/29/2014 4:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.



You live in an endless circle. Or spiral.

On 9/29/2014 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/29/2014 4:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.



You live in an endless circle. Or spiral.


Clockwise or counter clockwise?

On 9/29/14 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/29/2014 4:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.



You live in an endless circle. Or spiral.



Oh. *You* think prices would be lower if *all* corporations were located
offshore and none of their earnings were subject to U.S. taxes. Right.

On 9/29/2014 7:00 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/29/2014 4:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There
were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.



You live in an endless circle. Or spiral.



Oh. *You* think prices would be lower if *all* corporations were located
offshore and none of their earnings were subject to U.S. taxes. Right.


What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say any such thing.
I was commenting on your endless criticism of ... well, *everything* to
do with the country that has apparently treated you so well.

On 9/29/2014 3:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.

Hmm... what have I miss, I lowered my prices in an effort to keep
the customers I had for the last 12 years, and earned between $15k and
$20K less that year.
Even two years later I have people stopping to ask me where that boat
is, they want that cheaper shrimp. They think I'm a rip off, because
they bought it cheaper before, from that guy that didn't pay federal
taxes. The free market self corrects prices. Are there anomalies, sure.
Here we have Panama City and Panama City Beach, just a bridge away
from each other. The beach shrimp prices are much higher, I hear from my
customers 40% more is a reasonable quote. They can charge that because
their customers are more tourist related than mine. They can get people
leaving for home, and they pay the higher prices, because they are
there. They also have higher expenses on the beach, so they need to
charge a little more.
I get my share of the beach goers though, because my lower prices
brings them over the bridge.

One corporate thing that got to me, is the cellphone industry. Years
ago I had an ABC cellphone, the base price was $39.95 per month. The
final cost after taxes and other government charges was about $51. XYZ
company came out with a base price of $36.95 per month, I switched to
reward them for their lower price. When I got the first XYZ bill It was
actually more then the ABC bill. The &^%$* company had two additional
XYZ charges. It was $3 more instead of $3 less. I was ****ed and started
a government complaint form but never completed it. Almost two years
later something came up with a bill and I raised this issue, they
removed whatever charge I was complaining about. It was like "ya, we did
wrong, let's just quickly and quietly solve any issues you may have".

Mikek

I would post names, but I don't remember who the offender was, AT&T,
Sprint, Sprint/Nextel or Verizon. Although I don't think it was Verizon.
I'm pretty happy with them, easy to work with, I like the
notifications,"hey you have used 75% of your minutes, the billing period
ends on the 2nd" if we need to cut back we can. Nice bill, I can easily
breakout business use from personal.


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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 4:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 9/29/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 3:14 PM, amdx wrote:

How do we get a subset of people to conform to the majority and do
the things the majority does to get become taxpaying citizens? The
answer is not just throwing benefits at them.


You must be talking about corporations.


You're not reading well.

I'm sure you have seen this before,
but, who do you think pays ALL corporate taxes.
Since you don't answer my questions, I'll tell you.
You and your friends pay All corporate taxes, where
do you think they get the money. They get that money from
you, your cellphone bill is increased so the company can pay
it's taxes. Everything you purchase costs more because the
corporation is taxed. I think we would be better of eliminating
corporate taxes, that would provide lower priced products and
create more jobs. The offset would be a higher tax rate, but you could
live on less income.
Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.



Have you avoided taxes due to...individual greed?

On 9/29/2014 3:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

Hey, I have a great example, I had competition under cutting my
prices by 30%, what I sold for $7.50 they sold for $5.00. Why, one
reason is they didn't pay federal income taxes or FICA taxes. There were
other things, but that's at least 30% of profits.
Mikek



Gosh. A grad of the London School of Economics. Here's a clue...if the
pittance in taxes corporations pay were reduced, prices would not be.
Why? Why, corporate greed, of course.

Next.


That's just your hate clouding your thought.
Do you remember the gas wars of the early 70's,
if one gas station lowered their price the one
across the street did to.
Just like me, the competition undercut my prices,
I had no choice, my customers of 12 years were
driving 75 ft farther down the dock and buying
lower priced shrimp. Guess what I was greedy, I
thought $1.50 profit was better than $0. Someone
mentioned how computers prices have come down, how
about cellphone prices, when they first came out only
business's could afford them. I'll bet if you lifted
your hatred of business veil, you could probably come
up with 5 or 6 examples of products that have come down
in price because the competition forced it.
In 1980 milk in today's dollars, would be $4.62 my
wife says she pays $3.69.
Three items that are more expensive cars and gasoline and stamps.
I contend the reason is for all is government interference.
Cars are more expensive because the government has mandated, many
safety related items, and antipollution devices. Mostly good ideas. They
also come with more features.
Gasoline costs more now than in 1980, today's price would be $2.97 if
only inflation were to blame for increases, but the taxes on gallon of
gas have gone up, If you lowered the taxes to the same as 1980
it would be less than 2.97. However gas is a bad example because of the
middle east monopoly over the years. (no free market)
The price of a stamp would be lower if we got the government out of
it. But again you would not be charged for that guy out in the boonies,
He would need to drive into town once a week and get his mail.



I'll ask others to chip in and list items that cost less
today then when they first came out.
Here's an inflation calculator to compare today's price with
the price for whatever year.
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc....981&year2=2014

Mikek

It will be interesting to see a point by point counter to the free
market ratcheting prices down as costs come down. But you won't, and
your thinking won't change either. You will continue to be blinded by
your hatred.