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Roger September 14th 14 02:59 AM

My latest firearm
 
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/

I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.

Harrold September 14th 14 01:17 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/


I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.


Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.

Califbill September 14th 14 04:48 PM

My latest firearm
 
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/


I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.


Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.

F*O*A*D September 14th 14 06:35 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/


I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.


Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother
with the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay,
right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works
of art.



F*O*A*D September 14th 14 06:37 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/14 1:35 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/



I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the
factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide
what
to do.

Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother
with the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay,
right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works
of art.



Forgot...I have a URL of a revolver engraved by McKenzie. This is not
one of pair I mentioned:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17104/lot/3245/

Harrold September 14th 14 07:22 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/2014 1:35 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/



I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the
factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide
what
to do.

Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother
with the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay,
right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works
of art.



What would you know about those matters.
Someone recently reposted your claims that you were inundated with work
and were advertizing for help on Monster.com. The benefit package you
boasted about offering was unbelievably good. Probably because it was
just more of your lying bull****.

Tell us again about that CZ you trashed. Tell us again about that Sig
you loved then hated. Tell us about your TWO foreclosures and numerous
tax liens. On second thought, don't.

Harrold September 14th 14 07:27 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/2014 1:37 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 1:35 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/




I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more
already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the
factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so
that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide
what
to do.

Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.

It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother
with the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay,
right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works
of art.



Forgot...I have a URL of a revolver engraved by McKenzie. This is not
one of pair I mentioned:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17104/lot/3245/


Looks like a cap gun I had when I was a kid

Tom Nofinger September 14th 14 08:51 PM

My latest firearm
 
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:35:10 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:

Harrold wrote:


On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:


http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/






I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on


the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my


collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should


put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other


hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If


the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's


less of an issue.




I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what


to do.




Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.




It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.








It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman

jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother

with the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay,

right, Bilious?



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who

collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there

are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved

by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them

might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works

of art.


Why are you confusing firearms with art, Krause? Do you think that the silencer you are purchasing was designed by Jean-Michel Basquiat?

F*O*A*D September 14th 14 09:03 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.


Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.

Califbill September 14th 14 10:39 PM

My latest firearm
 
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.


Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


Sort of a modern Lemat.

Califbill September 14th 14 10:39 PM

My latest firearm
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/


I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.

Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother with
the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay, right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works of art.


Do you also hire illegals? Oops. That is undocumented immegrants.

F*O*A*D September 14th 14 11:23 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/14 5:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/14/14 11:48 AM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/


I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.

Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.

It is easy to buy things when you do not pay your taxes or bills.



It's easy to buy things when you hire illegals to work the home handyman
jobs you get and pay them less than the going rate, and don't bother with
the various employment taxes and insurance reputable employers pay, right, Bilious?

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns. It has no appeal to me. I know where there
are two brand new never fired presentation revolvers that were engraved
by Lynton McKenzie and have consecutive serial numbers. Each of them
might be worth what that ugly SIG pistol might fetch, and they are works of art.


Do you also hire illegals? Oops. That is undocumented immegrants.



No, Bilious, I don't. But you have.

Wayne.B September 15th 14 12:40 AM

My latest firearm
 
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.


===

So says the liberal arts major and self proclaimed editor.

[email protected] September 15th 14 01:23 AM

My latest firearm
 
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:40:15 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.



So says the liberal arts major and self proclaimed editor.


Here's an extra "s" in case someone might need it.

[email protected] September 15th 14 02:21 AM

My latest firearm
 
On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC-4, Roger wrote:

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what

to do.


Shove the barrel up your ass, and pull the trigger. NO ONE gives a ****.

Tim September 15th 14 04:48 AM

My latest firearm
 
Man those. Swiss SIG's are sweet! I wonder if they're available with a rifle stock?

Harrold September 15th 14 10:46 AM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/14/2014 10:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.


.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)

I imagine it would be like lighting off a cherry bomb in your hand.

Califbill September 15th 14 05:30 PM

My latest firearm
 
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.


.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)


Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.

F*O*A*D September 15th 14 06:13 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.


.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)


Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.



Which M&P did you get? I have no idea of what is "allowed" in California
these days in "black rifles." I like just about everything about my M&P
15-22 *except* the four-sided rail system...not that comfortable to hold
in the beer mug grip. I haven't done anything serious to customize my
"real" Colt AR-15. I have an optic for it but I still am enjoying
shooting out to 100 yards with the stock sights.

[email protected] September 15th 14 07:09 PM

My latest firearm
 
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who


collect ugly, oddball guns.




Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.


A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't excite me enough to consider one.

Califbill September 15th 14 07:23 PM

My latest firearm
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.

.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)


Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.



Which M&P did you get? I have no idea of what is "allowed" in California
these days in "black rifles." I like just about everything about my M&P
15-22 *except* the four-sided rail system...not that comfortable to hold
in the beer mug grip. I haven't done anything serious to customize my
"real" Colt AR-15. I have an optic for it but I still am enjoying
shooting out to 100 yards with the stock sights.


m&p 15 Sport. 5.56/223. Has a round fore grip. Like the old M16. Rail
above the receiver. Will probably get rings for a scope. Take the Scope
off my 7400. Out of the box, flip up iron sights, nice sights by the way.
Shot about 2 inch right at 50 yards. One click and was very close. At a
100 yard, was still good. A few in the x ring, and most in the black. My
failure not the rifle.

F*O*A*D September 15th 14 07:41 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 2:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.

.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)

Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.



Which M&P did you get? I have no idea of what is "allowed" in California
these days in "black rifles." I like just about everything about my M&P
15-22 *except* the four-sided rail system...not that comfortable to hold
in the beer mug grip. I haven't done anything serious to customize my
"real" Colt AR-15. I have an optic for it but I still am enjoying
shooting out to 100 yards with the stock sights.


m&p 15 Sport. 5.56/223. Has a round fore grip. Like the old M16. Rail
above the receiver. Will probably get rings for a scope. Take the Scope
off my 7400. Out of the box, flip up iron sights, nice sights by the way.
Shot about 2 inch right at 50 yards. One click and was very close. At a
100 yard, was still good. A few in the x ring, and most in the black. My
failure not the rifle.


That's a fine rifle. My Colt looks very much like it, except mine has a
dust cover...which I supposed will be helpful if I'm caught in the
desert somewhere and facing a horde of zombies. Do you have magazine
limitations in California?

Mr. Luddite September 15th 14 07:51 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who


collect ugly, oddball guns.




Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.


A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA



Califbill September 15th 14 08:21 PM

My latest firearm
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 2:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.

.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)

Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.



Which M&P did you get? I have no idea of what is "allowed" in California
these days in "black rifles." I like just about everything about my M&P
15-22 *except* the four-sided rail system...not that comfortable to hold
in the beer mug grip. I haven't done anything serious to customize my
"real" Colt AR-15. I have an optic for it but I still am enjoying
shooting out to 100 yards with the stock sights.


m&p 15 Sport. 5.56/223. Has a round fore grip. Like the old M16. Rail
above the receiver. Will probably get rings for a scope. Take the Scope
off my 7400. Out of the box, flip up iron sights, nice sights by the way.
Shot about 2 inch right at 50 yards. One click and was very close. At a
100 yard, was still good. A few in the x ring, and most in the black. My
failure not the rifle.


That's a fine rifle. My Colt looks very much like it, except mine has a
dust cover...which I supposed will be helpful if I'm caught in the desert
somewhere and facing a horde of zombies. Do you have magazine limitations in California?


Dust cover is pretty worthless I think. Once you fire, the cover is open
anyway. The Sport does not have a dust cover or forward assist. Maybe
combat and FA would be good. Original M16 used the bolt lever as an
assist. We need a bullet button. Requires a "tool" to remove magazine.
Can only buy 10 rd or less mags. I do not think it is illegal to possess a
mag with larger capacity, just can not buy in state.

F*O*A*D September 15th 14 09:34 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 3:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 2:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 12:30 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:03:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/14/14 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who
collect ugly, oddball guns.

Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a
Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.
Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with
it.
As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior
to just about anything 9mm or above.


If I were going to carry again, I'd be interested in a Ruger LCR
revolver in .357 MAG with a five round cylinder.

.357 is a very capable self defense piece if you can hit anything with
it. (stressed, bad light etc)

Was at the range yesterday shooting the new S&W AR. Also took out the 1911
45. New AR great shooter. Almost dead on out of the box. Forgot how
abusive to the hand the 45 can be. One pinched finger and nicked thumb.
But was fun.



Which M&P did you get? I have no idea of what is "allowed" in California
these days in "black rifles." I like just about everything about my M&P
15-22 *except* the four-sided rail system...not that comfortable to hold
in the beer mug grip. I haven't done anything serious to customize my
"real" Colt AR-15. I have an optic for it but I still am enjoying
shooting out to 100 yards with the stock sights.

m&p 15 Sport. 5.56/223. Has a round fore grip. Like the old M16. Rail
above the receiver. Will probably get rings for a scope. Take the Scope
off my 7400. Out of the box, flip up iron sights, nice sights by the way.
Shot about 2 inch right at 50 yards. One click and was very close. At a
100 yard, was still good. A few in the x ring, and most in the black. My
failure not the rifle.


That's a fine rifle. My Colt looks very much like it, except mine has a
dust cover...which I supposed will be helpful if I'm caught in the desert
somewhere and facing a horde of zombies. Do you have magazine limitations in California?


Dust cover is pretty worthless I think. Once you fire, the cover is open
anyway. The Sport does not have a dust cover or forward assist. Maybe
combat and FA would be good. Original M16 used the bolt lever as an
assist. We need a bullet button. Requires a "tool" to remove magazine.
Can only buy 10 rd or less mags. I do not think it is illegal to possess a
mag with larger capacity, just can not buy in state.



We have some bizarre laws in Maryland relating to AR rifles.
You can buy a complete AR, lower and upper, so long as it has a "heavy"
barrel. That's what I have, an HBR Colt with a heavy barrel. You can buy
10-round mags in state, but if you want larger cap mags, you have to buy
them out of state. Possession of larger cap mags is legal. We don't have
bullet buttons here yet.

You can buy a complete .308 AR type rifle without an HBAR. Only the
5.56/.223 ARs have to have the HBAR. You can buy a lower and then buy a
non-HBAR upper, since the state has no way to prove when you bought that
upper, as they are not serialized. And so on. You can buy a suppressor
if your local sheriff signs off on it, but if he won't, you can download
the forms off the internet and set up a trust and have the suppressor
"owned" by the trust.

I don't know how anyone keeps up with this stuff.

F*O*A*D September 15th 14 10:01 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM,
wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the
quickening drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from
name brand suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you
shop carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and
smaller but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the
morons who get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the
NRA and its manufacturer enablers.

F*O*A*D September 15th 14 10:47 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 5:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:01:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/15/14 4:46 PM,
wrote:


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.


There is no way I would pay $600 or even $300 for a novelty like that.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the
quickening drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from
name brand suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you
shop carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and
smaller but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the
morons who get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the
NRA and its manufacturer enablers.


Sportsmans guide just sent me an alert that they have Russian 9mm
cans (900 rounds) for $233. That is a quarter a shot


There's plenty of Russian 9mm around for less than 20 cents a round, and
even CCI Blazer for less than 25 cents a round. I only shoot S&B in my
revolver and lever rifle, either Federal or Lehigh Defensive in my AR,
and either CCI or Federal in my .22LR rifle.

Mr. Luddite September 15th 14 11:39 PM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/2014 5:01 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM,
wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone
who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt
and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It
didn't excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the
quickening drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from
name brand suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you
shop carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and
smaller but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the
morons who get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the
NRA and its manufacturer enablers.



My friend's wife bought the Governor for concealed carry and keeps it
loaded with .410 birdshot. She carries it in her purse. Makes sense
for a woman, I think. She's unlikely to be in a shoot out at long
range. Birdshot probably won't kill but the chances of missing are reduced.



Roger September 16th 14 01:02 AM

My latest firearm
 
Harrold wrote:
On 9/13/2014 9:59 PM, Roger wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/11/sig-a...g-553-pistols/



I bought the railed model. It's going for nearly $1000 more already on
the secondary market. I didn't plan to shoot it and bought it for my
collection. My concern is that there is a warranty so maybe I should
put a few rounds through it to make sure all is well. On the other
hand, it would no longer be an unfired gun - outside of the factory. If
the prices don't move up significantly I will keep it forever so that's
less of an issue.

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what
to do.


Harry would kill to be able to afford a gun like that.


I didn't pay MSRP - about $700 less. I knew I could get a bit more when
I bought it so I chalked it up as an investment. I had to justify it
some way...



Roger September 16th 14 01:09 AM

My latest firearm
 
wrote:
On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC-4, Roger wrote:

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what

to do.

Shove the barrel up your ass, and pull the trigger. NO ONE gives a ****.

Don't be upset that someone has a gun worth more than your boat. One day
you might grow up and be able to afford nice things - like toothpaste.


Roger September 16th 14 01:15 AM

My latest firearm
 
Tim wrote:
Man those. Swiss SIG's are sweet! I wonder if they're available with a rifle stock?

Sort of...

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/sig-...-gun-review-2/

Roger September 16th 14 01:33 AM

My latest firearm
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/15/2014 5:01 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM,
wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone
who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do
with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is
inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt
and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It
didn't excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously
isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the
quickening drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from
name brand suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you
shop carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and
smaller but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the
morons who get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the
NRA and its manufacturer enablers.



My friend's wife bought the Governor for concealed carry and keeps it
loaded with .410 birdshot. She carries it in her purse. Makes sense
for a woman, I think. She's unlikely to be in a shoot out at long
range. Birdshot probably won't kill but the chances of missing are
reduced.



I would put a .45LC next in line after that bird shot in case the first
shot is a miss.

F*O*A*D September 16th 14 02:33 AM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:47:40 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

There's plenty of Russian 9mm around for less than 20 cents a round,


Where is that?



http://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger

True North[_2_] September 16th 14 02:35 AM

My latest firearm
 
Roger
wrote:
On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC-4, Roger wrote:

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what

to do.

Shove the barrel up your ass, and pull the trigger. NO ONE gives a ****.

" Don't be upset that someone has a gun worth more than your boat. One day
you might grow up and be able to afford nice things - like toothpaste. "


Snerk!
Now watch the St Thomas TubbyToon froth at the mouth and project his sexual perversions on you.

F*O*A*D September 16th 14 02:39 AM

My latest firearm
 
On 9/15/14 9:35 PM, True North wrote:
Roger
wrote:
On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC-4, Roger wrote:

I guess I'll watch the prices during the warranty period and decide what

to do.

Shove the barrel up your ass, and pull the trigger. NO ONE gives a ****.

" Don't be upset that someone has a gun worth more than your boat. One day
you might grow up and be able to afford nice things - like toothpaste. "


Snerk!
Now watch the St Thomas TubbyToon froth at the mouth and project his sexual perversions on you.



If he does, it'll be the only sex either of them have had in decades.
Ol' Roger-Dodger is just a returning right-wing scumbag.

Califbill September 16th 14 03:45 AM

My latest firearm
 
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt and
.410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't
excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


Maybe at 10' the bird will break. Could reload the shot shell with pistol
powder.

Califbill September 16th 14 03:45 AM

My latest firearm
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM,
wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt
and .410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't
excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the quickening
drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from name brand
suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you shop
carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and smaller
but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the morons who
get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the NRA and its
manufacturer enablers.


Looking in a drawer the other day, I noticed $13.95 price sticker on a
brick.

Califbill September 16th 14 03:45 AM

My latest firearm
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/15/14 5:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:01:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/15/14 4:46 PM,
wrote:


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


For $600, you can buy a real, high quality revolver or semi-auto, even a
small, concealable one, not a trickster pistol that shoots .45 and .410.


There is no way I would pay $600 or even $300 for a novelty like that.

The best news I've seen recently in the "shooting wars" is the
quickening drop in .22LR ammo prices. There are some decent rounds from
name brand suppliers out there for a nickel a round or even less if you
shop carefully, and there have been good price drops in .223, too, and
smaller but appreciate prices drops in .357 MAG. Apparently even the
morons who get their news from Faux aren't being duped as much by the
NRA and its manufacturer enablers.


Sportsmans guide just sent me an alert that they have Russian 9mm
cans (900 rounds) for $233. That is a quarter a shot


There's plenty of Russian 9mm around for less than 20 cents a round, and
even CCI Blazer for less than 25 cents a round. I only shoot S&B in my
revolver and lever rifle, either Federal or Lehigh Defensive in my AR,
and either CCI or Federal in my .22LR rifle.


There is lots of good ammo brands. Only thing I would not shoot, at least
in the AR is the steel case stuff. Do not want to spend 3 hours cleaning
the riffle. I shot PMC in the 45 ACP and worked great.

[email protected] September 16th 14 04:36 AM

My latest firearm
 
On Monday, September 15, 2014 9:35:06 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:


Now watch the St Thomas TubbyToon froth at the mouth and project his sexual perversions on you.


Who?

Have you figured out where I live yet, dick-licker? Doesn't seem so.

It will be fun beating you to death.

Califbill September 16th 14 06:15 AM

My latest firearm
 
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 21:45:30 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:51:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/15/2014 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:35:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



As for the firearm in question, I suppose it has appeal to someone who

collect ugly, oddball guns.



Talking about ugly oddball guns I had a fleeting notion of buying a

Judge but it passed when I read some of the reviews.

Other than novelty skeet shooting, I am not sure what I would do with

it.

As a self defense gun, it was roundly discounted. The .410 is inferior

to just about anything 9mm or above.

A friend has one, and I've fired it a few times. Shot both 45 Colt and
.410 shells with it. Lots of recoil, decent accuracy. It didn't
excite me enough to consider one.



My buddy's wife bought a S&W Governor for her first handgun. Like the
Judge, it shoots 45 cal and .410 shells. I tried it out at the range
shortly after she got it. Nice gun.

This guy does a review on the Judge vs the Governor. He obviously isn't
a big fan of the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8sMQgVrdA


Humm S&W is better than Taurus ... Shocking ;-)
I think the actual street price probably reflects that. He was talking
about $600 and change for the taurus and they are $300-400 depending
on where you buy one. Not sure about the S&W

Personally I would pay about $200-250 used if someone was slapping me
in the face with it but the more I have thought about it, I am not
sure why. It would really just be a novelty for shooting at clay birds
at the electricians shoot. I think I may take my frontier scout next
time I go and see in a .22 shot load will even break a bird.


Maybe at 10' the bird will break. Could reload the shot shell with pistol
powder.


I understand you can reload a .410 for a pistol but this is nothing
like what you get in a commercial load. I also know they sell special
loads, just for these guns and they use a mix of buckshot and metal
disks.
I still think it is a novelty. If you want a 2 1/2 pound handgun that
kicks like a mule and has a lot of stopping power, get a Charter .44
mag. It worked for David Berkowitz.


No thanks on both handguns. When the 454 Casul came out, I was offered a
chance to shoot it at a show in Norco, CA and after seeing the abuse the
shooter received, passed. Figure same thing with a smaller 44 mag.


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