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.... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend:
http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my ..223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? |
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On 8/29/14 1:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot Whoops. Forgot to attach a vid of it being displayed and used. There are lots of them on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkEPD7pyXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fvZBQNq3_c I have a red dot I've had kicking around for years on mine, and I alternate it with a scope. |
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... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot Why buy so many weapons? Gun nut? I just bought an M&P AR 5.56. Pick up next week after the 10 day waiting period. First firearm I have bought in 30 years or so |
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On 8/29/14 5:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot Why buy so many weapons? Gun nut? I just bought an M&P AR 5.56. Pick up next week after the 10 day waiting period. First firearm I have bought in 30 years or so Don't hurt yourself. :) |
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On 8/29/14 5:21 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot Why buy so many weapons? Gun nut? I just bought an M&P AR 5.56. Pick up next week after the 10 day waiting period. First firearm I have bought in 30 years or so Don't hurt yourself. :) Probably live in the safe like the other firearms I own. |
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... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot But it LOOKS like an ASSAULT rifle!! How do you know it's more accurate than a 10/22? |
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... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot Did that guy actually mark his mags to indicate which way is the muzzle end? Strange. |
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On 8/29/14 9:27 PM, Roger wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot But it LOOKS like an ASSAULT rifle!! How do you know it's more accurate than a 10/22? Personal experience and the reports of literally hundreds of shooters, including many who compete regularly. The Ruger 10/22's need all sorts of add-on part$ to shoot accurately. The day after I got mine, I was "killing" one liter empty soft drink plastic bottles at 25 to 35 yards with iron sights and no modifications. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:33:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/29/14 9:27 PM, Roger wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot But it LOOKS like an ASSAULT rifle!! How do you know it's more accurate than a 10/22? Personal experience and the reports of literally hundreds of shooters, including many who compete regularly. The Ruger 10/22's need all sorts of add-on part$ to shoot accurately. The day after I got mine, I was "killing" one liter empty soft drink plastic bottles at 25 to 35 yards with iron sights and no modifications. === An accurized 10/22 will shoot 3/4 inch groups or better at 50 yards. |
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On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:33:01 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
The day after I got mine, I was "killing" one liter empty soft drink plastic bottles at 25 to 35 yards with iron sights and no modifications. Sure you were, while carrying eight Cinder blocks with ONE hand.....riiiiiiight. |
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On 8/29/14 11:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Just for the fun of it- https://www.youtube.com/embed/XuXjMXMGvrA?autoplay=1 Cool. Nice shirt, too. :) |
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On 8/30/2014 6:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
I'm not a fan of full auto fire. Waste of ammo. Oh! You mean you don't have one yet. You probably couldn't pass the background check or mental capacity evaluation. |
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On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard is a quad picatinny rail. The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular .22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it. I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are channeling some Vietnam war fantasy. The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which seems ok to me. The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22. There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure is in the mind of the beholder. Here's a photo of mine: http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle when you load up :) ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails. |
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On 8/30/14 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 09:49:45 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Here's a photo of mine: http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle when you load up :) ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails. I thought the people republic of Maryland was limiting you to 10 round magazines these days. It's a weird reg. You can't legally buy mags larger than 10 rounds here, *but* if you buy them in another state, you can legally bring them into Maryland and use them. At the moment, I only have a couple of 10-round PMAGs for my AR-15. I like to shoot it deliberately, and if I have a really large mag in there, I tend to want to shoot more quickly. Also, the "short" mags are easier to shoot off a bench. Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:21:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:14:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds === An AR-15 should be very effective against alligators and wild boars. I would rather have something that hit a little harder. I don't want to wait for them to bleed to death. Perhaps you ought to get yourself a Louisville Slugger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woY5dHF8hPs |
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On Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:37:29 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
Yeah, well, I'm not your "cop buddy" shooting, so I judge a firearm's accuracy on its innate accuracy and my ability to shoot it accurately. I'm not a fan of full auto fire. Waste of ammo. Just like you're a waste of skin, pusbag. |
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On Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:49:45 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard is a quad picatinny rail. The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular .22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it. I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are channeling some Vietnam war fantasy. The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which seems ok to me. The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22. There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure is in the mind of the beholder. Here's a photo of mine: http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle when you load up :) ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails. Where'd you steal that picture, asswipe? LMAO. |
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On 8/29/14 9:27 PM, Roger wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot But it LOOKS like an ASSAULT rifle!! How do you know it's more accurate than a 10/22? Personal experience and the reports of literally hundreds of shooters, including many who compete regularly. The Ruger 10/22's need all sorts of add-on part$ to shoot accurately. The day after I got mine, I was "killing" one liter empty soft drink plastic bottles at 25 to 35 yards with iron sights and no modifications. I own three 10/22's. The oldest is maybe 20 years old or better. I've shot 4" diameter smiley faces in pumpkins from 100 feet with a cheap scope. They are very accurate. |
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On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard is a quad picatinny rail. The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular .22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it. I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are channeling some Vietnam war fantasy. The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which seems ok to me. The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22. There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure is in the mind of the beholder. It certainly is. |
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On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard is a quad picatinny rail. The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular .22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it. I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are channeling some Vietnam war fantasy. The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which seems ok to me. The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22. There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure is in the mind of the beholder. Here's a photo of mine: http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle when you load up :) ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails. The arrows are for your non-shooting friends? Do you lend out your firearms? Why do you want a suppressor for a .22LR? |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:42:08 -0400, BAR wrote: I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds There is always the AR-15's Daddy, the AR-10. That is just taking an inferior idea and expanding to a Russian slightly better idea. Look at the sturmgewehr, where this reduced power round came from. Buy an M1A and get on with your life ... out to 1000 yards. The original AR was a 308. That is what the AR-10 is. Is nice with every thing in line with the shoulder to reduce climb between shots. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is? Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas. My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life vicariously shooting Evian bottles. He would have been one of two things in the service. Clerk, or paper pusher or cannon fodder. That liberal arts degree would not get a skilled position. Why I got to fix radar on airplanes instead of jungle fighting. Had skills that counted. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:46:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 1:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds Right, because everyone knows a 30-30 or .308 won't inflict grievous wounds. I like the AR platform because the rifles are easy to customize and maintain, and, for me, at least, they are accurate enough and, of course, I only inflict "grievous wounds" on plastic and aluminum bottles and cans and paper target. Besides, .308 ammo, American-made in brass casings, is twice as expensive or more than brass-cased U.S.-made .223 REM ammo, and 30-30 Win is even more expensive. You brought up 30-30 but 308/30-06 is the round of choice for snipers who want one shot one kill. The 5.56 is designed to take the guy out of the fight but make him a casualty who needs 2 guys to care for him. (western European thinking) That worked until we started fighting people who didn't give a **** about a wounded soldier. Price? I can get 7,.65-51 for about the same price as 5,56 The m16 was for close in work, lighter to carry, and did not climb in auto fire. Not worth **** in open area battles. Need that 308/30.06 range and power there. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:07:21 -0400, Roger wrote: The arrows are for your non-shooting friends? Do you lend out your firearms? Why do you want a suppressor for a .22LR? I suppose it is to shoot critters that are eating his wife's ornimentals without disturbing the neighbors. === The best tool for that job is a suppressed air rifle. http://www.airgundepot.com/stoeger-suppressed.html http://gamowhisper.com/ No special permits required. |
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On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:42:08 -0400, BAR wrote: I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds There is always the AR-15's Daddy, the AR-10. That is just taking an inferior idea and expanding to a Russian slightly better idea. Look at the sturmgewehr, where this reduced power round came from. Buy an M1A and get on with your life ... out to 1000 yards. The original AR was a 308. That is what the AR-10 is. Is nice with every thing in line with the shoulder to reduce climb between shots. AR-10's, at least the few I have shot, are too damned heavy for the kind of shooting I do. And the ammo is pretty $$$. |
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On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is? Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas. My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life vicariously shooting Evian bottles. He would have been one of two things in the service. Clerk, or paper pusher or cannon fodder. That liberal arts degree would not get a skilled position. Why I got to fix radar on airplanes instead of jungle fighting. Had skills that counted. D'oh. I felt no desire to "serve" the brutal right-wing dictatorship in Vietnam, or the equally corrupt pols who followed in its footsteps. I think it is nice that you and Fretwell managed to avoid the shooting war by hiding out fixing radar and cruising on coast guard ships. FlaJim, of course, also avoided the shooting war. Brave boys, all of your, |
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On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:46:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 1:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds Right, because everyone knows a 30-30 or .308 won't inflict grievous wounds. I like the AR platform because the rifles are easy to customize and maintain, and, for me, at least, they are accurate enough and, of course, I only inflict "grievous wounds" on plastic and aluminum bottles and cans and paper target. Besides, .308 ammo, American-made in brass casings, is twice as expensive or more than brass-cased U.S.-made .223 REM ammo, and 30-30 Win is even more expensive. You brought up 30-30 but 308/30-06 is the round of choice for snipers who want one shot one kill. The 5.56 is designed to take the guy out of the fight but make him a casualty who needs 2 guys to care for him. (western European thinking) That worked until we started fighting people who didn't give a **** about a wounded soldier. Price? I can get 7,.65-51 for about the same price as 5,56 The m16 was for close in work, lighter to carry, and did not climb in auto fire. Not worth **** in open area battles. Need that 308/30.06 range and power there. You base this on what, your extensive experience as a Usenet Commando, like the other mustered out soldiers here? |
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On 8/31/2014 9:41 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:46:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 1:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds Right, because everyone knows a 30-30 or .308 won't inflict grievous wounds. I like the AR platform because the rifles are easy to customize and maintain, and, for me, at least, they are accurate enough and, of course, I only inflict "grievous wounds" on plastic and aluminum bottles and cans and paper target. Besides, .308 ammo, American-made in brass casings, is twice as expensive or more than brass-cased U.S.-made .223 REM ammo, and 30-30 Win is even more expensive. You brought up 30-30 but 308/30-06 is the round of choice for snipers who want one shot one kill. The 5.56 is designed to take the guy out of the fight but make him a casualty who needs 2 guys to care for him. (western European thinking) That worked until we started fighting people who didn't give a **** about a wounded soldier. Price? I can get 7,.65-51 for about the same price as 5,56 The m16 was for close in work, lighter to carry, and did not climb in auto fire. Not worth **** in open area battles. Need that 308/30.06 range and power there. You base this on what, your extensive experience as a Usenet Commando, like the other mustered out soldiers here? What is your basis of doubt, Shirley? |
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On 8/31/2014 6:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is? Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas. My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life vicariously shooting Evian bottles. Harry is a "wannabe" in many areas. Harriet is a used to be wannabe. His time for making anything of himself has past. |
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On 8/30/2014 10:07 PM, Roger wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: ... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for. Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles. Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my .223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot === I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized? It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard is a quad picatinny rail. The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular .22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it. I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are channeling some Vietnam war fantasy. The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which seems ok to me. The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22. There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure is in the mind of the beholder. Here's a photo of mine: http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle when you load up :) ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails. The arrows are for your non-shooting friends? Do you lend out your firearms? Why do you want a suppressor for a .22LR? Only one reason I can think of. |
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