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On Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:15:09 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is? Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas. My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life vicariously shooting Evian bottles. He would have been one of two things in the service. Clerk, or paper pusher or cannon fodder. That liberal arts degree would not get a skilled position. Why I got to fix radar on airplanes instead of jungle fighting. Had skills that counted. D'oh. I felt no desire to "serve" the brutal right-wing dictatorship in Vietnam, or the equally corrupt pols who followed in its footsteps. I think it is nice that you and Fretwell managed to avoid the shooting war by hiding out fixing radar and cruising on coast guard ships. FlaJim, of course, also avoided the shooting war. Brave boys, all of your, "Brave boys, all of your,?" The writer Krause is up for another Pulitzer! |
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On 9/2/2014 3:14 AM, Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:15:09 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote: On 8/31/14 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can, however, buy a fully assembled lower. I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing. I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle. I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600 rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is? Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas. My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life vicariously shooting Evian bottles. He would have been one of two things in the service. Clerk, or paper pusher or cannon fodder. That liberal arts degree would not get a skilled position. Why I got to fix radar on airplanes instead of jungle fighting. Had skills that counted. D'oh. I felt no desire to "serve" the brutal right-wing dictatorship in Vietnam, or the equally corrupt pols who followed in its footsteps. I think it is nice that you and Fretwell managed to avoid the shooting war by hiding out fixing radar and cruising on coast guard ships. FlaJim, of course, also avoided the shooting war. Brave boys, all of your, "Brave boys, all of your,?" The writer Krause is up for another Pulitzer! He acquired his language skills from Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, two men of the cloth who sound like ghetto folk. |
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On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:51:10 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
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On 9/2/14 2:33 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:55:40 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I've "handled" and shot a Colt LE 901. Damned thing weighed more than 10 pounds with a mag and all the usual "tactical" crapola on it. Not a rifle to be shot off hand. When did we become such sissies? The M1 weighed about 10 pounds and the skinny kids in the 40s had no problem carrying them across most of Europe and the Pacific islands. I carried one most of the day in boot camp, including during calisthenics (PDUA). Do some situps holding this over your head and it will put hair on your chest. My M1A is about the same depending on which magazine I have in it. With a 30 round it is probably over 11 pounds. I am not sure I would want it much lighter shooting 7.62 NATO rounds. I think my AR-15 weighs about 7.5 pounds with a 10-round mag and the scope atop it. I don't have it tricked out with lots of rails and attachments. I'd like to remove the forward sight/gas block, though, and replace the stock handguard, which is kind of thick, with a thinner single rail system that would also conceal the gas block. I don't think I'd enjoy lugging around a rifle any heavier than what I have now...certainly not for offhand shooting. Because you are an out of shape wimp? Lots of 10 pound rifles are hauled around all day during hunting season. As as Gregg stated, lots of M1's were hauled all around Europe and on island landings in the Pacific. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 12:50 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 06:51:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: What percentage of our troops over there are carrying and shooting high caliber rifles, I think you have totally missed the point. We were just trying to say the 7.62x51 was more capable at long range than the 5.56, You are the one who tried to make this a conversation about why most of the soldiers are still issued AR variants. I doubt more than 30 or 40% ever actually shoot at anyone anyway. I neither missed the point nor argued that one rifle is "more capable" than the other, although I did argue that the AR was more capable than the AK because it was more accurate. And the question was never which of the two was more capable. |
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On 9/2/14 3:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/2/14 2:33 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:55:40 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I've "handled" and shot a Colt LE 901. Damned thing weighed more than 10 pounds with a mag and all the usual "tactical" crapola on it. Not a rifle to be shot off hand. When did we become such sissies? The M1 weighed about 10 pounds and the skinny kids in the 40s had no problem carrying them across most of Europe and the Pacific islands. I carried one most of the day in boot camp, including during calisthenics (PDUA). Do some situps holding this over your head and it will put hair on your chest. My M1A is about the same depending on which magazine I have in it. With a 30 round it is probably over 11 pounds. I am not sure I would want it much lighter shooting 7.62 NATO rounds. I think my AR-15 weighs about 7.5 pounds with a 10-round mag and the scope atop it. I don't have it tricked out with lots of rails and attachments. I'd like to remove the forward sight/gas block, though, and replace the stock handguard, which is kind of thick, with a thinner single rail system that would also conceal the gas block. I don't think I'd enjoy lugging around a rifle any heavier than what I have now...certainly not for offhand shooting. Because you are an out of shape wimp? Lots of 10 pound rifles are hauled around all day during hunting season. As as Gregg stated, lots of M1's were hauled all around Europe and on island landings in the Pacific. Do you know what the term "offhand shooting" means, Bilious? It means no hunting stick, no bipod, no support on a tree limb, no rest on a shooting bag. It means standing up, holding the rifle to your shoulder and shooting it. Most modern hunting rifles weigh eight pounds or less, not the 10+ pounds a tricked out AR-10 would weigh. What the hell would a great white hunter like you be going after in this country where he would require a big, heavy, rifle to shoot offhand? My lever action rifle will easily drop a deer and it weighs about 6.5 pounds. |
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