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On 9/2/2014 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:55:40 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I've "handled" and shot a Colt LE 901. Damned thing weighed more than 10
pounds with a mag and all the usual "tactical" crapola on it. Not a
rifle to be shot off hand.

When did we become such sissies? The M1 weighed about 10 pounds and
the skinny kids in the 40s had no problem carrying them across most of
Europe and the Pacific islands.
I carried one most of the day in boot camp, including during
calisthenics (PDUA). Do some situps holding this over your head and it
will put hair on your chest.
My M1A is about the same depending on which magazine I have in it.
With a 30 round it is probably over 11 pounds.
I am not sure I would want it much lighter shooting 7.62 NATO rounds.



What was that exercise routine called using a M1? 96 Count Manual or
something like that. It was a series of exercises done to the beat of
some John Phillips Sousa march played through a PA system. I remember
that after 4 or 5 iterations your arms felt like lead.

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On 9/2/14 3:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:21:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

What the hell would a great white hunter like you be going after in this
country where he would require a big, heavy, rifle to shoot offhand? My
lever action rifle will easily drop a deer and it weighs about 6.5 pounds.


I bet your .357 carbine does not meet the minimum ME for taking a deer
in Maryland.
My .44 barely made it and you needed hotter than normal ammo.
I did know a game warden up there who said more deer were taken with a
22rf than any other caliber but it was at night, at close range with a
spot light.
I am sure your .357 would kill a deer eventually but you might be
following a blood trail in the woods for a while.
I have no interest in killing a deer these days but when I did, I
wanted them to hit the ground dead, not run around wounded for a
while. The adrenaline screws up the meat.



My .357 rifle won't be killing any deer so long as I own it. I don't
shoot critters. I have read, though, a number of articles on the potency
of the .357 round when fired through a rifle. It almost matches the
..30-.30 up to 100 yards.

I understand the .357 round, however, is the perfect tamer for rampaging
tea party zombies. :)

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:21:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

What the hell would a great white hunter like you be going after in this
country where he would require a big, heavy, rifle to shoot offhand? My
lever action rifle will easily drop a deer and it weighs about 6.5 pounds.


I bet your .357 carbine does not meet the minimum ME for taking a deer
in Maryland.
My .44 barely made it and you needed hotter than normal ammo.
I did know a game warden up there who said more deer were taken with a
22rf than any other caliber but it was at night, at close range with a
spot light.
I am sure your .357 would kill a deer eventually but you might be
following a blood trail in the woods for a while.
I have no interest in killing a deer these days but when I did, I
wanted them to hit the ground dead, not run around wounded for a
while. The adrenaline screws up the meat.



My .357 rifle won't be killing any deer so long as I own it. I don't
shoot critters. I have read, though, a number of articles on the potency
of the .357 round when fired through a rifle. It almost matches the
.30-.30 up to 100 yards.

I understand the .357 round, however, is the perfect tamer for rampaging
tea party zombies. :)

A 30-30 is actually a minimum deer round. Ok if in short ranges.

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On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:40:23 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/2/14 3:49 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:21:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



What the hell would a great white hunter like you be going after in this

country where he would require a big, heavy, rifle to shoot offhand? My

lever action rifle will easily drop a deer and it weighs about 6.5 pounds.





I bet your .357 carbine does not meet the minimum ME for taking a deer

in Maryland.

My .44 barely made it and you needed hotter than normal ammo.

I did know a game warden up there who said more deer were taken with a

22rf than any other caliber but it was at night, at close range with a

spot light.

I am sure your .357 would kill a deer eventually but you might be

following a blood trail in the woods for a while.

I have no interest in killing a deer these days but when I did, I

wanted them to hit the ground dead, not run around wounded for a

while. The adrenaline screws up the meat.







My .357 rifle won't be killing any deer so long as I own it. I don't

shoot critters. I have read, though, a number of articles on the potency

of the .357 round when fired through a rifle. It almost matches the

.30-.30 up to 100 yards.



I understand the .357 round, however, is the perfect tamer for rampaging

tea party zombies. :)



A 30-30 is actually a minimum deer round. Ok if in short ranges.

Correct. We call a 30-30 a bush rifle, good for deer stands back in the woods. When hunting an open field, you want more than that. I haven't hunted in a few years, but my last deer was taken at 150 yds with a Ruger M77 stainless in 270 Winchester caliber. An 8 point that dropped in his tracks.

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On 9/2/2014 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:12:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/2/2014 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:55:40 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I've "handled" and shot a Colt LE 901. Damned thing weighed more than 10
pounds with a mag and all the usual "tactical" crapola on it. Not a
rifle to be shot off hand.

When did we become such sissies? The M1 weighed about 10 pounds and
the skinny kids in the 40s had no problem carrying them across most of
Europe and the Pacific islands.
I carried one most of the day in boot camp, including during
calisthenics (PDUA). Do some situps holding this over your head and it
will put hair on your chest.
My M1A is about the same depending on which magazine I have in it.
With a 30 round it is probably over 11 pounds.
I am not sure I would want it much lighter shooting 7.62 NATO rounds.



What was that exercise routine called using a M1? 96 Count Manual or
something like that. It was a series of exercises done to the beat of
some John Phillips Sousa march played through a PA system. I remember
that after 4 or 5 iterations your arms felt like lead.


They just called it PDUA for us. (Physical Drill Under Arms)
It made you look forward to the regular, before breakfast, PE.
We didn't get any music either, just a first class boatswains mate
yelling at us.
I don't remember most of the exercises but the situps still put a knot
in my stomach ;-)

Most of it was just lifting the rifle over your head from different
positions.


I just tried googling it. It *was* called the "96 Count Manual" but I
couldn't find any examples or videos of it. Apparently it is no longer
done in boot camp.

All I remember was the march music playing and you lifted that rifle
over your head three times, then straight out 3 times, then to the left,
the right, down and whatever ... over and over and over until you
reached the count of 96. Then you started all over again. After a
half hour (or more if your company commander was sadistic) it got tough
to lift the damn thing over your head.

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wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:40:23 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


A 30-30 is actually a minimum deer round. Ok if in short ranges.

It is really academic for Harry anyway. First he is not a hunter and
second, even he was, he can't use a rifle in his county anyway ... or
any nearby. They are shotgun bow or muzzle loader only.

Rifles are OK for zombies. 😀
--
Posted from my iPhone

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On 9/2/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:44:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I just tried googling it. It *was* called the "96 Count Manual" but I
couldn't find any examples or videos of it. Apparently it is no longer
done in boot camp.

All I remember was the march music playing and you lifted that rifle
over your head three times, then straight out 3 times, then to the left,
the right, down and whatever ... over and over and over until you
reached the count of 96. Then you started all over again. After a
half hour (or more if your company commander was sadistic) it got tough
to lift the damn thing over your head.

The one we had close to that was "high port", basically double time
with your rifle over your head.



We called that the "goon squad".

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On 9/2/2014 10:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:25:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/2/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:44:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I just tried googling it. It *was* called the "96 Count Manual" but I
couldn't find any examples or videos of it. Apparently it is no longer
done in boot camp.

All I remember was the march music playing and you lifted that rifle
over your head three times, then straight out 3 times, then to the left,
the right, down and whatever ... over and over and over until you
reached the count of 96. Then you started all over again. After a
half hour (or more if your company commander was sadistic) it got tough
to lift the damn thing over your head.

The one we had close to that was "high port", basically double time
with your rifle over your head.



We called that the "goon squad".

This wasn't a punishment. The whole company was doing it.
I was not sure why but they put a lot of emphasis on PT. I guess it
was because we spent a lot of classroom time and they wanted to give
us a good workout along the way.

The other one that was more fun was the 26' Monomoy surf boats.
It was a heavy assed wood row boat that we took out in the ocean off
Cape May in the winter.
I managed to work myself up to coxswain right away because I could
remember all the commands and knew when to use them. We usually had an
E-4 on board making sure we didn't do anything too dumb
In the end I was commanding my own boat..
Lugging those boats down the beach was still a chore tho. It was still
more fun than just doing calisthenics.

The amazing thing was how low our failure rate was. If you failed to
advance, each week, you had to start over (no getting out easy with a
GD in those days). Nobody in our company or our sister company failed.
The rumor was, if you failed twice, they sent you to the army or gave
you a UD.



I recall the term for being sent back in training was being "asswalled"
or "azwalled" or something like that. It was my biggest fear and it
usually happened because you got sick or injured. I remember doing PT
sessions while running a high fever and being sick as a dog but I
refused to go to sick bay in fear of having to "go back" in any of the
training. All I wanted was out of there. And yes, I remember the threat
(maybe just rumor) that if you didn't make it through your were
transferred to the Army. I know a few people didn't make it but I doubt
they were transferred to the Army. They just couldn't deal with the
pressure and flipped out mentally. This was in 1968.

I have two sons and a son-in-law who went through the Navy boot camp
over 20 years later. Very different program by then.

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:33:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I recall the term for being sent back in training was being "asswalled"
or "azwalled" or something like that. It was my biggest fear and it
usually happened because you got sick or injured. I remember doing PT
sessions while running a high fever and being sick as a dog but I
refused to go to sick bay in fear of having to "go back" in any of the
training. All I wanted was out of there.

===

That's all any of us wanted. I was in basic with a NYC transit cop
who took the final PT exam while he was sick. He collapsed unconcious
after completing the mile run and we never saw him again.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:33:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I recall the term for being sent back in training was being "asswalled"
or "azwalled" or something like that. It was my biggest fear and it
usually happened because you got sick or injured. I remember doing PT
sessions while running a high fever and being sick as a dog but I
refused to go to sick bay in fear of having to "go back" in any of the
training. All I wanted was out of there.

===

That's all any of us wanted. I was in basic with a NYC transit cop
who took the final PT exam while he was sick. He collapsed unconcious
after completing the mile run and we never saw him again.

1965, Air Force was not physically as hard. We only lost one guy, and he
got a medical discharge. Doing push ups he got a shoulder separation. He
had them before, and the pre induction physical should have caught the
defect he was ttold, we marched. And marched. And marched some more.
Besides running, and running and running and jumping jacks while a cyborg
led us. Had to be a cyborg , as he never tired.