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On 8/23/2014 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:21:36 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:19:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

I suppose it all depends on the first autopsy. If there was GSR in his
hair, this may be a good shoot.

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot

Doesn't matter. Each shot is treated as a separate decision. From
the time the kid was 20' away, the cop was not in danger and his life
was not being threatened.

Any reasonable jury will find the cop guilty of murder, it's just a
matter of which flavor.

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.



I think manslaughter, not murder.

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On 8/23/2014 5:02 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:33:53 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

Please explain the cops injuries to his head and face, which occurred
prior to the cop shooting the 6'4" 300 man.

Not the issue. By *all* accounts, the kid was retreating.


That is just a flat out lie.

You cannot
shoot an unarmed person while they're retreating, it's murder.

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On 8/23/2014 5:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:21:36 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:19:10 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 22:26:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:11:46 -0700, jps wrote:

The only problem I have with the mess in Missouri is they picked the
wrong case to go off on. The guy they choked to death in New York is a
better case. Of course you also have Diallo who was shot 41 times. The
problem is they are both in New York, a bluer than blue city in a blue
state.

Also the densest population area in the country. Two incidents like
this could happen in the middle of different states if you spread NY
out.

The issue is supposed to be an egregious abuse of police power. Is
that excused if it is the big city?


What's your comment about blue city suppose to indicate? You think
cops in NY are more likely to be R's or Ds? R's constitute 33% of the
population in NYC.

I only question why they single out this incident and ignore far worse
ones. Were the looking for a red state to drive this issue?

This really looks like it might turn out to be a good shoot just a bad
shot. Six rounds only inflicted 2 serious wounds and 3 went on into
the environment somewhere. Good thing this was a less populated area
or we would have had bystanders hit.

I suppose he might have been hurt in the "scuffle" in the car enough
to affect his aim but that helps the officer.

Crock o' Poop. The cop was 20-25 feet away when he shot 3 or 4
additional rounds after the kid was hit.

The last shot entered the top of his skull, meaning that he was
bending forward and going down. No cop could argue that he felt his
life was being threatened.

The cop will be guilty of murder, which variety is yet to be known.

I suppose it all depends on the first autopsy. If there was GSR in his
hair, this may be a good shoot.

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot

Doesn't matter. Each shot is treated as a separate decision. From
the time the kid was 20' away, the cop was not in danger and his life
was not being threatened.

Any reasonable jury will find the cop guilty of murder, it's just a
matter of which flavor.

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.


That is just your opinion, and you are a shameless advocate so we don't
even have a doubt where you would come down on this..

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On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

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On 8/23/14 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:18:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I bet those last flurry of shots took less than 2 seconds with very
little thinking between the first and last shot



I have the feeling there was "little thinking" going on during any part
of the shooting.

Considering someone can close on you at about 15-20 feet per second,
there is not a lot of time for complex thought.


Two of my old newspaper buddies from the Kansas City Star who run their
own papers now in two small Missouri cities, one just south of St.
Louis, told me in emails that racism is still a big problem in some of
the police departments in that state, and hasn't changed much in the
decades since we all roamed the state as reporters. But I have no
first-hand info on this.

I remember a couple of years ago when the FBI reported from its own
internal investigations that of the 600 fatal shootings its agents had
committed over some then recent period of time, all 600 were
"justified." That made a lot of people laugh.

CNN had an interesting factoid the other day. This is the first police
shooting in at least 20 years.
I imagine if Holder is going to find anything it will be some general
impression of the police department, not this particular incident.
Why do they always pick a thug to try to make a martyr out of?
I am sure there are far more egregious examples of police malfeasance
out there.,


The first police shooting in 20 years in Ferguson? That's not
surprising. It's a pretty small city and probably has more problems with
property crimes than murders.

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On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They
haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

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On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.

"shattered eye socket"... I have been in some pretty bad fights and
never got one of those.

If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any
disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger
as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

If they arrest and detain the cop, and can only come up with some unrelated
charge that will not stick, and if not convicted, I can see some suits for
mega millions for false arrest and abuse of office.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:20:44 -0400, wrote:

Say what you will about Zimmerman but he only fired one shot and he
had a full magazine. That is more fire discipline than I have seen
from a cop in 30 years. They seem to spray and pray.

===

I believe that LEO training calls for 2 or 3 shots to center of mass.
Perpatrator still standing? Rinse, repeat. If shooting, they are
shooting to kill. It's not that easy to hit a moving target at 30
feet.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:56:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They
haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.

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On 8/24/2014 3:03 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:56:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They
haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.



Let's see what the grand jury thinks after hearing all the evidence and
the 3 autopsy results.

Information leaking out ... fact or fiction ... is painting a different
picture than what was initially put out by the media.

My concern is the reaction that will take place if the grand jury finds
Wilson to have been within his rights and authority. That's why I
think politics will become involved.

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On 8/24/2014 3:03 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:56:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.


Due mostly to the immediate reaction to the shooting Holden opened a
federal investigation based on civil rights violations.
The FBI has been in town conducting witness interviews. A federal
autopsy (the third) has been completed.

The Feds have the authority to detain and/or arrest Wilson. They
haven't. Why?

In the end I think he will probably be arrested and charged with
something. The whole issue is too hot of a political potato.

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.


Exactly, because the evidence is clear.. The cop is 100% innocent which
is easily proved by the fact that Al Sharpton says he isn't.

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wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:03:11 -0700, jps wrote:

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.

I am glad you are starting to see.

There is a lynch mob threatening to burn the city if he is not.
When did we start letting mobs and TV commentators decide who gets
charged with crimes?

Zimmerman I guess.

Hearst, and yellow journalism. Remember the Maine.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:49:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:02:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:33:53 -0400, BAR wrote:


Please explain the cops injuries to his head and face, which occurred
prior to the cop shooting the 6'4" 300 man.

Not the issue. By *all* accounts, the kid was retreating. You cannot
shoot an unarmed person while they're retreating, it's murder.

All of the shots were in the front. If this was in the back I would
agree with you although Missouri does allow a cop to shoot a fleeing
forcible felon. The cop did get the radio call about the "strong
armed robbery" and that is a "B" felony.

Bull****, no connection. The contact had nothing whatsoever to do
with a robbery.

The kid was not a felon, not even a suspect. He dissed a white cop
who felt justified in taking his rage out on that kid. He's a cold
blooded murderer.

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:43:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:03:11 -0700, jps wrote:

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.

I am glad you are starting to see.

There is a lynch mob threatening to burn the city if he is not.
When did we start letting mobs and TV commentators decide who gets
charged with crimes?

Zimmerman I guess.


Lynch mob? How about the single cop lynch mob who decided this kid
needed to be shot six times in 11 attempts from a distance?

I see you're in the white boy cheering section.

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?

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On 8/26/2014 11:43 AM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?


The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind that the cop is a murderer. You should
think a little before you shoot your mouth off, Mr. JPS.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any
disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger
as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?

Yes.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:43:44 -0700, jps wrote:

Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?

===

It absoluely does. Assault on a LEO is almost always a felony.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 1:43 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?



It has not been determined what happened while Wilson was still in the
cruiser. Witness reports vary. It will be up to the grand jury to
decide if charges are to be filed (which I suspect will happen).

BTW:

(Mo.Ann. Stat. §565.050).

Under Missouri law, the most serious assault crimes are assault in the
first degree and assault in the second degree. Both of these crimes are
felonies.

A person is guilty of assault in the first degree if he:

knowingly attempts to kill another person, or
knowingly causes or attempts to cause another person serious
physical injury.

If a first degree assault results in serious physical injury to the
victim, the crime is a Class A felony which is punishable by 10 to 30
years, or even life in prison. If a first degree assault does not result
in serious physical injury to the victim, the crime is a Class B felony,
punishable by five to 15 years in prison.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 2:22:31 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:


The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Another rapper/street thug in training. Sounds like the cop saved the state some money compared to his certain incarceration later.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 1:26 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:49:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:02:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:33:53 -0400, BAR wrote:


Please explain the cops injuries to his head and face, which occurred
prior to the cop shooting the 6'4" 300 man.

Not the issue. By *all* accounts, the kid was retreating.

100% total bull****, period... the *only* account of him retreating is
the kid who robbed the store with him you idiot...


You cannot
shoot an unarmed person while they're retreating, it's murder.

All of the shots were in the front. If this was in the back I would
agree with you although Missouri does allow a cop to shoot a fleeing
forcible felon. The cop did get the radio call about the "strong
armed robbery" and that is a "B" felony.

Bull****, no connection. The contact had nothing whatsoever to do
with a robbery.

The kid was not a felon, not even a suspect. He dissed a white cop
who felt justified in taking his rage out on that kid. He's a cold
blooded murderer.

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.


You are just making it up as you go along...

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 1:28 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:43:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:03:11 -0700, jps wrote:

I see, if he's arrested it will because of political pressure, not
because he's a suspect in a murder investigation.

I am glad you are starting to see.

There is a lynch mob threatening to burn the city if he is not.
When did we start letting mobs and TV commentators decide who gets
charged with crimes?

Zimmerman I guess.


Lynch mob? How about the single cop lynch mob who decided this kid
needed to be shot six times in 11 attempts from a distance?

When did that happen, it didn't, but you are a typical racist liar...


I see you're in the white boy cheering section.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 1:43 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?


Yes.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 2:16 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 8/26/2014 11:43 AM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:01:54 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 5:05:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:

In this case, because he disengaged with the young man before firing
the kills shots, it could be considered premeditated and in the
first
degree.

You're a hoot. You have no idea what the circumstances are, if
any disengagement occurred, or if the officer felt his life was in
danger as the thug charged him again after nearly beating the
officer to death.

Whitey cop bad, right?

The "beat5ing" has been overstated a bit, the cop was punched or
slapped in the face but you hit a cop, you are going to be in trouble,
no matter what.
If this thug repeated the same thing we saw on the store video (turn
and try to threaten with his bulk) , he was going to be shot .. In
Missouri, New York or even yuppie assed San Francisco.

CNN seems to have some witnesses who back up the cop version of the
story but they are too afraid to go on camera.
I notice the news anchors are softening on their predictions of a
prosecution.
In real life, charging a cop for killing a felon in the process of an
arrest is pretty rare

For the folks who think otherwise, do not underestimate the power of
the police unions.

Hahahaha!!! "CNN seems to have..." What a joke.

CNN seemed to have discovered the missing Malaysian plane at least a
couple of dozen times while they were busy selling advertising.

Do you prefer Fox?

The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind. Nobody has seen the original autopsy
when GSR would have been present and a fresh body was examined. Nobody
has seen any evidence that may have been in the car, detailed evidence
at the scene like where the shell casings landed or even where the cop
was in reference to the dead guy. They also have not presented the
evidence from the clothing that may have GSR or be an indication of
where the thug;'s arms where when he was shot.

My bet is you folks are going to like how all of that comes out.

As I said, using Missouri law, the cop could have legally shot him in
the back. He was a fleeing felon, who used violence against the
officer. Bang Bang you are dead

Fleeing felon? Does getting in a wrestling match with a cop through
his cruiser window make Michael Brown a felon?


The reality of this incident has not even been presented yet but you
have already made up your mind that the cop is a murderer. You should
think a little before you shoot your mouth off, Mr. JPS.

Mr, JPS is a liar, only here with some cowardly agenda. Remember, on one
hand he screams that we don't need guns because we can call the police,
and insists that is all he needs to protect his family, and that works
for that thread, now cops are dirty rotten murders for this thread. You
see, he has no real answers or stand, except he doesn't want anybody
else to have guns like him.. and I know he says he got rid of all his,
but he also says he's counting on the cops, lol... don't believe
anything he says, you will be better off...

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:49:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:02:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:33:53 -0400, BAR wrote:


Please explain the cops injuries to his head and face, which occurred
prior to the cop shooting the 6'4" 300 man.

Not the issue. By *all* accounts, the kid was retreating. You cannot
shoot an unarmed person while they're retreating, it's murder.

All of the shots were in the front. If this was in the back I would
agree with you although Missouri does allow a cop to shoot a fleeing
forcible felon. The cop did get the radio call about the "strong
armed robbery" and that is a "B" felony.

Bull****, no connection. The contact had nothing whatsoever to do
with a robbery.

Lie, period...


The cop's story was he got the radio call about the robbery after the
initial encounter and the second encounter when he was assaulted.
That is easily verified by the radio logs so if he is lying it won't
take long to find out


The kid was not a felon, not even a suspect. He dissed a white cop
who felt justified in taking his rage out on that kid. He's a cold
blooded murderer.

Lie, period...

"Dissed" involved a punch in the face, that is felony #2

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away.

Half truth, the guy who robbed the store said that.
Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened.

Lie, they can shoot a fleeing felon and once he tried to kill the cop,
he was a "fleeing felon"... Period...
This was murder.

Lie, conjecture based on fantasy and racism..

We really do not know the distance. One "witness:" was the accomplice
in the robbery who had already lied to the police.
Another was inside getting her phone when the shooting actually
occurred. I am not sure what the others say or how well they will hold
up to cross examination. Let's see how all of this matches the crime
scene evidence.
As a general rule, the court believes what a cop says. Ever get a
speeding ticket? What was the evidence?


II don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

Rediculous, how come you keep coming late to the party and still pretend
you have heard no opposing evidence, you are a liar. I have seen your
pattern for years, you are not fooling anybody.


Mostly lawyers on CNN.
The fact still remains that if you attack a cop, you are going to get
shot or,. if there are enough cops around, beaten within an inch of
your life.
That is just true, like it or not. Cops do not tolerate taking a punch
when they are taking a suspect into custody.
If there is any evidence at all that this thug was closing on the cop,
after already assaulting him, he was going to be shot and the law will
back up the cop.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 9:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:28:49 -0700, jps wrote:

How about the single cop lynch mob who decided this kid
needed to be shot six times in 11 attempts from a distance?

How about the purple fairies floating around during the event? How about
the Blue Unicorn????

I haven't heard the "11 shots" story but I am not surprised. I have
already said the real crime here was the horrible shooting skill of
this cop

We are still waiting for the actual "distance" thing.
It will be pretty easy to determine by where the body landed and where
the shell casings were. That is evidence, not anecdotes from people
who hate cops.

It is interesting that in the other incident in St Louis, where the
cops shot the guy with the knife, the stories about the distance were
no where near what the video showed.
That guy was much closer than the 21 feet the cops use as the danger
zone.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/26/2014 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

We already know what Brown's state of mind was. He had just robbed a
store using nothing but his size and physical power.

The idea that he thought he could intimidate the cop by charging at
him is not hard to believe at all,. We just watched him do it in the
store, on tape.

He brought that macho to a gun fight and lost.


The only injustice here is the cop has to get his life ruined by
assholes like al sharpton.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/27/14 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.



We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides” are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’” when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/27/2014 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.


Yeah, **** you and them too. If they riot, I hope the cops mow 'em
down,I hope Sharpton is right in front.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/27/14 7:11 AM, KC wrote:
On 8/27/2014 2:53 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:04 -0700, jps wrote:

Witnesses have the cop 20 - 25 feet away. Cops are not given
permission by MO law to fire on a suspect without their lives being
threatened. This was murder.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's a bad
source.

===

I don't know where you're getting information either, but it's a bad
source. The LEO called Brown to his car for questioning. Brown
responded by punching the cop in the face and tried to grab his gun. A
shot was fired in the ensuing struggle. Brown then fled on foot and
at some point turned around. Everything beyond that is speculation
and conjecture.

Except witnesses are saying that the cop and the kid were 20 - 25 feet
away from one another when the cop fired the kill shots.

If the witnesses are backed up by cell phone footage, the cop is going
to have a hard time explaining how he felt danger for his life against
an unarmed man who had already been hit by several bullets.

The last shot entered the skull from the top of the head, meaning he
was leaning forward, about to fall.

Ugly. No one should be executed like that, even if the cop was
punched in the face.

If he comes away unscathed, there will certainly be hell to pay.


Yeah, **** you and them too. If they riot, I hope the cops mow 'em
down,I hope Sharpton is right in front.


Gosh, what a civil libertarian you are, eh, for a useless greasy little
troll.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:19:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Gosh, what a civil libertarian you are, eh, for a useless greasy little
troll.

===

The entire incident had nothing to do with civil rights. That is a
made up pretext for rioting and looting.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/27/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides� are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’� when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.


Would that be like the FBI's self-investigatory shooting panel that
determined that of some 700 FBI deadly shootings, each one was
justified? What I am saying is that police review boards *tend* to side
with the policeman, and cops overwhelmingly are acquitted by juries,
too. Didn't you cite the murder of Amadou Diallo? Yet another in the
long list of outrageous police murders.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On 8/27/14 11:57 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:26:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/27/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides� are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’� when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.


Would that be like the FBI's self-investigatory shooting panel that
determined that of some 700 FBI deadly shootings, each one was
justified? What I am saying is that police review boards *tend* to side
with the policeman, and cops overwhelmingly are acquitted by juries,
too. Didn't you cite the murder of Amadou Diallo? Yet another in the
long list of outrageous police murders.

I am just saying these killings are documented, just not so well by
the FBI because it is a voluntary submission to them.

I have pointed out that the Diallo shooting is far more egregious than
the killing of that thug Mike Brown. I also question why the left is
not outraged by blue state incidents, yet they are all over red state
incidents.
I still doubt any of these rise to the level of "murder".



I don't know that "these killings are documented," or that, if they are,
the documentation meets any sort of standard.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:12:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides” are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’” when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.


I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.

Given the unionization of police, I don't see how Harry could think they'd be anything but upright
and honest.

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:31:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

I do agree that everyone should be teaching their kids how to deal
with the cops. The same kind of thuggery that they can get away with
on teachers, parents and shop owners will get them killed with the
cops. It is just a fact.

Chris Rock beat you to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRisFC9ab4

I have looked down the barrel of a cop gun myself more than once and I
am a white guy. I am confident that a false move would have gotten me
killed.

I've had one step back and unsnap his holster because I kept putting my hands in my pockets during a traffic stop years ago. It was just a habit. When he did that I put my hands on the hood. He said I didn't have to do that, but I told him I did because if not, I'd just stick my hands back into my pockets. We did just fine after that.

Here's a funny story that came out just after the Brown shooting. A racist trying to ride the wave. The dash cam video shot his story down. :-)
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/25/5128421/video-obtained-after-pastor-naacp.html

What could possibly go wrong?th
 

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:12:14 -0400, wrote:



On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are

shot by the police each year.



The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each

year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:



Efforts to keep track of �justifiable police homicides� are beset

by systemic problems. �Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts

credence in the numbers that they call �justifiable homicides,�� when

used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate

professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of

Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And

there�s no governmental effort at all to record the number of

unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown�s homicide is found to be

unjustifiable, it won�t show up in these statistics.



Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies

that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI�s database -- 700

out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only

record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed

suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting

system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by

police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.





I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some

kind of action against the police or the policeman?

It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to

reference.

Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation

at all?

Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board

that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.



Given the unionization of police, I don't see how Harry could think they'd be anything but upright

and honest.

And of course, their own internal reviews of their shootings would be fair and even-handed. Being union and all.