On 7/26/14, 2:21 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:52:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 8:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:25:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:
But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha


Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010
as Maryland (293)?

Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.

Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?


There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss
the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"
and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia
has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone
can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.


All of those sales are illegal. Do you think that more laws would fix
it?


Are they? Apparently sales between individuals in Virginia are not
regulated. When I sold my SIG some years ago to a Virginia buyer, I
called the Virginia state police and was told point blank they didn't care.

This was the Virginia law a few years ago:


http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

What are the laws concerning the private sale of a handgun?

To privately sell a firearm, it is recommended that you safeguard
information pertaining to the transaction such as the date the firearm
was sold, the complete name and address of the buyer, and the make,
model, and serial number of the firearm. The seller and buyer of a
handgun must be a resident of the state in which the transfer occurs.
Additionally, Virginia’s handgun purchase limitation applies in private
transactions. Refer to http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Mul ...
chase.shtm for additional information on multiple handgun purchases.
Should the firearm ever be located at a crime scene, trace of the
firearm will determine the licensed dealer who last sold the firearm and
will identify the last buyer of the firearm. To have your name removed
from this process, you may consider placing your firearm on consignment
with a licensed dealer. This will also ensure that the firearm is
transferred only to a lawfully eligible individual.


Read mo
http://vagunforum.net/virginia-laws/...#ixzz38WztUrc4

You can be sure the non-dealers selling out of the back of their cars at
Virginia gun shows aren't verifying the statehood of their buyers beyond
asking whether they are residents of Virginia. It's not as if there is a
form.

If a private seller is going to violate a FEDERAL law about selling to
out of state buyers, why would a state law like you have in Maryland
deter them?
If the gun is stolen, as most crime guns are, the whole question is
ludicrous anyway.



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."

On 7/26/14, 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:10:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."

That is all you do if you go to a dealer.
As long as the name on the license comes back clean, you get your gun.

If the instant check system is a s bad as E-Verify, it is no real
check at all.



Note that I posted "individual seller," not "dealer." The individual
sellers being discussed are not dealers, they are selling out of the
trunks of their cars. For the 978th time. Sheesh.

On 7/26/14, 4:13 PM, wrote:

Like I said, if they are willing to break a federal law, why would a
state law bother them?

As I said, there is no paper trail necessary for a private sale in
Virginia. Process that.

On 7/26/14, 4:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:27:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/26/14, 4:13 PM, wrote:

Like I said, if they are willing to break a federal law, why would a
state law bother them?

As I said, there is no paper trail necessary for a private sale in
Virginia. Process that.



It is still illegal for a private citizen to sell to an out of state
buyer. If they are willing to ignore that law, why would a law like
Maryland has affect them?



You're really working this.

Since there is no paperwork required, how can one prove the private
citizen seller had any idea the private buyer was an out of stater?

"Yeah, he showed me a driver's license. Looked okay to me, but then I'm
no expert about what an out of state driver's license should look like, eh?"

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:13:03 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:13:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/26/14, 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:10:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."

That is all you do if you go to a dealer.
As long as the name on the license comes back clean, you get your gun.

If the instant check system is a s bad as E-Verify, it is no real
check at all.



Note that I posted "individual seller," not "dealer." The individual
sellers being discussed are not dealers, they are selling out of the
trunks of their cars. For the 978th time. Sheesh.

Like I said, if they are willing to break a federal law, why would a
state law bother them?
Are you really trying to convince anyone that there are not illegal
gun sales going on in Maryland?
All of those gang bangers in Baltimore seem to have plenty of guns and
they are not driving to Virginia to get them.
Most are stolen locally and sold locally.

Find me any credible proof that it is not true. I do find it
interesting that there is no real effort to trace crime guns unless
they shoot a president or something. Then they seemed to be able to
track them ... even before all of the laws since 1968.

Gosh, you'd think with all these 'individuals' illegally selling all these guns, the law would have
caught some by now. Wonder why Harry can't post something referencing all these lawbreakers.