On 7/25/2014 3:43 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/25/14, 3:09 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...

On 7/25/14, 11:26 AM, wrote:

I have been tagged a "gun nut" here several times and I have bought 4
guns since the Nixon administration. I only sold one in my whole life,
the machine gun.

I would think that being a "gun nut" has more to do with attitudes about
firearms and less to do with how many firearms one buys, sells, or
keeps.

One thing that makes a "real" gun nut is resistance to gun regulations.
You probably don't qualify as a "real" gun nut.
But you're close. So am I.
Of course I get to decide whom I call a gun nut.
Greg is a gun nut. It's a genetic deal.


I don't have any resistance to serious gun regulations. I don't think
current gun regulations generally are nearly strict enough, and I live
in a state considered to have fairly strict gun regulations. The
neighboring state of Virginia, sadly, has extremely lax gun regulations,
especially as they pertain to private sale and transfer of firearms.


I've reviewed the current (and fairly new) Maryland gun laws.
Generally, they are similar to those that have been in existence in
Massachusetts for many years although Massachusetts remains more
restrictive in terms of what particular models are legal to buy.

A bill to impose even more restrictions in MA, including permit
applicants to demonstrate a "need" to own even a shotgun was recently
fast-tracked through the state legislature. MA is a "shall issue" state
for long guns and rifles and the proposed new law would have changed
that, requiring permit applicants to demonstrate a "need" to local
police permitting authorities and would have given police departments
more power to deny a permit.

Fortunately enough opposition was expressed to this bill to cause it to
be withdrawn and re-written before it was voted on. The new laws are
more restrictive than those in effect but they aren't as bad as they
could have been.

Point is, there has to be a reasonable balance between those who would
love to simply ban private gun ownership outright and those who don't
want any regulation at all. Overall, we are slowly slipping towards
the former. If you enjoy owning firearms, keep an eye on your Maryland
legislature.

On 7/25/2014 6:42 PM, wrote:
Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?

Funny you should mention Wyoming. We just left the Cody rodeo about 15
minutes ago.
Something that struck me odd was that a few of the servers in
restaurants were open carrying. Didn't see many others doing so though.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On 7/26/14, 2:21 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:52:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 8:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:25:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:
But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha


Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010
as Maryland (293)?

Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.

Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?


There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss
the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"
and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia
has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone
can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.


All of those sales are illegal. Do you think that more laws would fix
it?


Are they? Apparently sales between individuals in Virginia are not
regulated. When I sold my SIG some years ago to a Virginia buyer, I
called the Virginia state police and was told point blank they didn't care.

This was the Virginia law a few years ago:


http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

What are the laws concerning the private sale of a handgun?

To privately sell a firearm, it is recommended that you safeguard
information pertaining to the transaction such as the date the firearm
was sold, the complete name and address of the buyer, and the make,
model, and serial number of the firearm. The seller and buyer of a
handgun must be a resident of the state in which the transfer occurs.
Additionally, Virginia’s handgun purchase limitation applies in private
transactions. Refer to http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Mul ...
chase.shtm for additional information on multiple handgun purchases.
Should the firearm ever be located at a crime scene, trace of the
firearm will determine the licensed dealer who last sold the firearm and
will identify the last buyer of the firearm. To have your name removed
from this process, you may consider placing your firearm on consignment
with a licensed dealer. This will also ensure that the firearm is
transferred only to a lawfully eligible individual.


Read mo
http://vagunforum.net/virginia-laws/...#ixzz38WztUrc4

You can be sure the non-dealers selling out of the back of their cars at
Virginia gun shows aren't verifying the statehood of their buyers beyond
asking whether they are residents of Virginia. It's not as if there is a
form.

If a private seller is going to violate a FEDERAL law about selling to
out of state buyers, why would a state law like you have in Maryland
deter them?
If the gun is stolen, as most crime guns are, the whole question is
ludicrous anyway.



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:25:07 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 7/25/2014 6:42 PM, wrote:
Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?

Funny you should mention Wyoming. We just left the Cody rodeo about 15
minutes ago.
Something that struck me odd was that a few of the servers in
restaurants were open carrying. Didn't see many others doing so though.

That was my point

BTW the number was 11 (gun murders) from the FBI UCR

As a guy in Alaska told us years ago. "An armed society is a polite
society."

On 7/26/14, 12:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:25:07 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 7/25/2014 6:42 PM, wrote:
Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?

Funny you should mention Wyoming. We just left the Cody rodeo about 15
minutes ago.
Something that struck me odd was that a few of the servers in
restaurants were open carrying. Didn't see many others doing so though.

That was my point

BTW the number was 11 (gun murders) from the FBI UCR

As a guy in Alaska told us years ago. "An armed society is a polite
society."



Sell that bull**** to the Somalis or the Ukrainians.

On 7/26/2014 10:23 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/26/14, 12:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:25:07 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 7/25/2014 6:42 PM, wrote:
Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?

Funny you should mention Wyoming. We just left the Cody rodeo about 15
minutes ago.
Something that struck me odd was that a few of the servers in
restaurants were open carrying. Didn't see many others doing so though.

That was my point

BTW the number was 11 (gun murders) from the FBI UCR

As a guy in Alaska told us years ago. "An armed society is a polite
society."



Sell that bull**** to the Somalis or the Ukrainians.

Two words that aren't in your vocabulary. Polite and society.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Friday, July 25, 2014 3:25:59 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:

But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha





Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010

as Maryland (293)?



Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.


Sure. didn't you too just now?



There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss

the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"

and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia

has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone

can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.

"Numerous?" is that cited or projecting again?

Numerous as in 'more of Krause's numerous bull**** stories'.

He's made that bull**** comment over and over, but has yet to back it up with anything. He'll be
saying all those Chicago boys get there guns here also. But, I sure don't see a lot of Illinois
plates around here.

I think your post nailed it.

On 7/26/14, 1:51 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Friday, July 25, 2014 3:25:59 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:

But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha





Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010

as Maryland (293)?



Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.


Sure. didn't you too just now?



There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss

the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"

and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia

has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone

can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.

"Numerous?" is that cited or projecting again?

Numerous as in 'more of Krause's numerous bull**** stories'.

He's made that bull**** comment over and over, but has yet to back it up with anything. He'll be
saying all those Chicago boys get there guns here also. But, I sure don't see a lot of Illinois
plates around here.

I think your post nailed it.



The Virginia gunshow loophole problem has been reported on the news
dozens of times, **** for brains.

On 7/26/14, 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:10:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."

That is all you do if you go to a dealer.
As long as the name on the license comes back clean, you get your gun.

If the instant check system is a s bad as E-Verify, it is no real
check at all.



Note that I posted "individual seller," not "dealer." The individual
sellers being discussed are not dealers, they are selling out of the
trunks of their cars. For the 978th time. Sheesh.

On 7/26/14, 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:57:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/26/14, 1:51 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Friday, July 25, 2014 3:25:59 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:

But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha





Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010

as Maryland (293)?



Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.


Sure. didn't you too just now?



There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss

the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"

and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia

has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone

can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.

"Numerous?" is that cited or projecting again?

Numerous as in 'more of Krause's numerous bull**** stories'.

He's made that bull**** comment over and over, but has yet to back it up with anything. He'll be
saying all those Chicago boys get there guns here also. But, I sure don't see a lot of Illinois
plates around here.

I think your post nailed it.



The Virginia gunshow loophole problem has been reported on the news
dozens of times, **** for brains.

Yeah they said it on TV so it must be true


Individuals not dealers who sell firearms in Virginia are the loophole
sellers. Got it? Still not? Sheesh.