On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

Everything is well on it's way to becoming obsolete. So what's new.

On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.



So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?

On 5/30/14, 3:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is
set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy
access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is
easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've
never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.



So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?




I don't take calls when I am driving.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

On 5/30/2014 3:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is
set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy
access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is
easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've
never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.



So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?




It sits there... I don't touch my phone while driving, my youngest is
crazy about that, we lost a couple kids just last year screwing around
driving, the straight A student, chorus member, popular, socially aware,
friend of hers will probably be going to prison instead of college this
year because of "driving while distracted", so again, my kid really hits
close to home for us...

wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.

On 5/30/14, 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.



There are several ways to shut down the "phone function" on an iphone
without shutting down its data functions.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.



There are several ways to shut down the "phone function" on an iphone
without shutting down its data functions.


Could you translate your answer to my comments?

On 5/30/2014 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.


I basically refuse to answer my phone while driving anyway, I could if I
wanted as my GPS is supposed to do that but I don't bother... I figure
if it's not ringing over and over again, it can wait. Seriously, I
wonder sometimes how some folks ever survived in a day when you found
out "what's up man" when you got to your buds house or home to call
him/her..

On 5/30/2014 10:14 PM, KC wrote:
On 5/30/2014 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and
...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands
free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a
phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.


I basically refuse to answer my phone while driving anyway, I could if I
wanted as my GPS is supposed to do that but I don't bother... I figure
if it's not ringing over and over again, it can wait. Seriously, I
wonder sometimes how some folks ever survived in a day when you found
out "what's up man" when you got to your buds house or home to call
him/her..

I was playing around with my new GPS the other day. All of a sudden my
cell phone rang once then noise started coming from the overhead
speakers then I heard a voice. I said hello and then a conversation
started between me and the voice coming out of the speakers. Well, the
Luddite in me was amazed. I will have to investigate this phenomenon
further, before it happens again while I'm actually tooling down the
highway.