On 4/18/14, 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:13:24 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:19:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



Every form of motorized travel in this country is subsidized, Bilious.

I don't like commercial airlines. I do fly, but I don't enjoy it.



You can't even start to compare the direct cash infusions into rail

with the user tax supported government programs like the FAA, TSA or

the highway system.. In fact, gasoline taxes meant to support highways

are diverted to the rails.



And the railroads are run really bad. I was talking to a person shipping

200 WW2 tanks from the SF Bay Area to the East Coast. Was cheaper on

trucks in the end. Railroad wanted $4800 a tank, 3 months to get them

there. Plus the safety inspector wanted bribes to allow them loaded.

Otherwise had to move them like 3/8 inch. Plus after 3 months of travel

they had a short time to unload before rent on the railcar kicked in.

Truck was only $6400 and a week delivery.

The railroads in this country are heavily unionized. Paying union wages is expensive, and then the union inspectors are corrupt. Surprise!



Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"
employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail
with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..


I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.

On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.

That's deplorable. Why do the unions let management get away those
things? I thought the unions were supposed to protect and coddle the
employees.

On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"
employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail
with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..


I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.


Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing
many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who
complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job
satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because
there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.
Always something to bitch about.

My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great
guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it
ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former
employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out
of his system.

On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that

really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.



Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"

employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail

with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..





I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of

corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,

working of crews too many hours.



You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner

of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,

you're all for it.





Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing

many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who

complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job

satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because

there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.

Always something to bitch about.



My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great

guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it

ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former

employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out

of his system.

The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

On 4/18/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that

really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.



Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"

employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail

with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..





I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of

corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,

working of crews too many hours.



You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner

of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,

you're all for it.





Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing

many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who

complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job

satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because

there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.

Always something to bitch about.



My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great

guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it

ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former

employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out

of his system.

The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Krause was one of those union suits, and he's mighty proud of himself
for being so.

On 4/18/14, 6:50 PM, wrote:


Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit.

Yup, the sponsors of today's GOP, especially in a backwards state like
yours.

On 4/18/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that

really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.



Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"

employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail

with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..





I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of

corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,

working of crews too many hours.



You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner

of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,

you're all for it.





Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing

many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who

complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job

satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because

there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.

Always something to bitch about.



My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great

guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it

ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former

employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out

of his system.

The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.


Absolutely, I saw it all from my seat in the Teamsters with my dad...

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of what
it used to be.