On 4/12/14, 9:10 AM, KC wrote:
On 4/12/2014 9:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 4/12/14, 2:53 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Militias head to Nevada rancher?s standoff with feds: We?re not
?afraid to shoot?



Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy?s decades-long battle against the
federal
government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia
groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who?ve
circled
his land ? and talk is, they?re not afraid to open fire.

A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to
local 8
News Now: I?m not ?afraid to shoot,? he said.

Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy?s sister and a cancer survivor, said
at a
town hall gathering this week that the situation ?was like a war
zone?
and that she felt ?like I was not in the United States,? The
Daily Mail reported.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: ?Serious
bloodshed
was narrowly avoided,? in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a
woman who was pregnant while the rancher?s son was hit with a taser.

On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr.
Bundy?s
property, escalating a court dispute that?s wound for two decades
over
the rancher?s refusal to pay for grazing fees.

Mr. Bundy?s view is that he owns his property ? that it?s been in
his
family?s hands for centuries ? and he doesn?t have to pay for his
own
900-head of cattle to graze on the 600,000 acre Gold Butte property.

The government, meanwhile, says the land belongs to it, and
agents have
swooped and circled, closing off roadway access to the property and
flying helicopters overhead the family?s home.

Following the agent occupation, one of Mr. Bundy?s sons, Ammon
Bundy, was
tasered by a federal official to the point that blood seeped
through his
shirt, video showed. Ms. Houston, meanwhile, said she was roughed
up and
manhandled by authorities, telling town hall attendees that she
was ?hit
from the back; it was like a football tackle? and that ?they just
took me
and threw me down to the ground,? The Daily Mail reported.

BLM, for its part, says the situation only turned violent when
protesters
who rallied to the family?s defense kicked a K-9 unit officer.

Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys
keep up the fight.

?This is what we do, we provide armed response,? Jim Lordy, with
Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. ?They
have guns.
We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.?

Mr. Lordy also said ?many more? militia groups are coming to the
site to
join in the Bundy family defense.

?They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we
speak,?
another member told the Review-Journal.

Read mo
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2ydAJtcrX


- - -

If a gunfight breaks out, I hope the feds kill them all. In this
country,
these sorts of disputes are supposed to be settled in court.

Well, I guess that union disputes that turn violent, should have
all the
union members killed that are at the violence location! Frik'n
idiot. I
guess that Waco and Ruby Ridge are high on your approval list.



You're a funny guy, Zell.

I may be funny, but you are sick.



Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Our country was born from our engagement of the government in a
gunfight. Some died, many more lived and the greatest incubator of
innovation and wealth creation emerged.


If you dig a little you will see that this all ties back to the land, a
Chinese Solar firm, and dun, dun, dun.... Senator Harry Reid.


If you dig a little more, you'll see that Bundy doesn't own the land and
hasn't paid the required rent on it for more than a decade. But that's
not the issue. The issue is, if you engage the federal government in a
shooting match, you are going to lose.

On 4/12/14, 10:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:03:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Or if you are just reaching for your wallet like Amadou Diallo.

As long as you have a badge, you can shoot unarmed people at will.



Wow. You have problems in Baltimore, problems in DC, and problems with
cops. At least when I get shot at, it's for a reason like registering
minority voters, helping maritime workers join unions, or working for
land reform in Central America.

On 4/12/2014 10:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/12/14, 10:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:03:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Or if you are just reaching for your wallet like Amadou Diallo.

As long as you have a badge, you can shoot unarmed people at will.



Wow. You have problems in Baltimore, problems in DC, and problems with
cops. At least when I get shot at, it's for a reason like registering
minority voters, helping maritime workers join unions, or working for
land reform in Central America.


I wouldn't expect you to realize why people shoot at you. But hey! Make
up any story you like.

On 4/12/2014 9:29 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/12/14, 9:10 AM, KC wrote:
On 4/12/2014 9:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 4/12/14, 2:53 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Militias head to Nevada rancher?s standoff with feds: We?re not
?afraid to shoot?



Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy?s decades-long battle against the
federal
government over grazing rights has heated to the point where
militia
groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who?ve
circled
his land ? and talk is, they?re not afraid to open fire.

A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to
local 8
News Now: I?m not ?afraid to shoot,? he said.

Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy?s sister and a cancer survivor, said
at a
town hall gathering this week that the situation ?was like a war
zone?
and that she felt ?like I was not in the United States,? The
Daily Mail reported.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: ?Serious
bloodshed
was narrowly avoided,? in a story about how dogs were unleashed
on a
woman who was pregnant while the rancher?s son was hit with a
taser.

On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr.
Bundy?s
property, escalating a court dispute that?s wound for two decades
over
the rancher?s refusal to pay for grazing fees.

Mr. Bundy?s view is that he owns his property ? that it?s been in
his
family?s hands for centuries ? and he doesn?t have to pay for his
own
900-head of cattle to graze on the 600,000 acre Gold Butte
property.

The government, meanwhile, says the land belongs to it, and
agents have
swooped and circled, closing off roadway access to the property and
flying helicopters overhead the family?s home.

Following the agent occupation, one of Mr. Bundy?s sons, Ammon
Bundy, was
tasered by a federal official to the point that blood seeped
through his
shirt, video showed. Ms. Houston, meanwhile, said she was roughed
up and
manhandled by authorities, telling town hall attendees that she
was ?hit
from the back; it was like a football tackle? and that ?they just
took me
and threw me down to the ground,? The Daily Mail reported.

BLM, for its part, says the situation only turned violent when
protesters
who rallied to the family?s defense kicked a K-9 unit officer.

Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys
keep up the fight.

?This is what we do, we provide armed response,? Jim Lordy, with
Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. ?They
have guns.
We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.?

Mr. Lordy also said ?many more? militia groups are coming to the
site to
join in the Bundy family defense.

?They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we
speak,?
another member told the Review-Journal.

Read mo
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2ydAJtcrX



- - -

If a gunfight breaks out, I hope the feds kill them all. In this
country,
these sorts of disputes are supposed to be settled in court.

Well, I guess that union disputes that turn violent, should have
all the
union members killed that are at the violence location! Frik'n
idiot. I
guess that Waco and Ruby Ridge are high on your approval list.



You're a funny guy, Zell.

I may be funny, but you are sick.



Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Our country was born from our engagement of the government in a
gunfight. Some died, many more lived and the greatest incubator of
innovation and wealth creation emerged.


If you dig a little you will see that this all ties back to the land, a
Chinese Solar firm, and dun, dun, dun.... Senator Harry Reid.


If you dig a little more, you'll see that Bundy doesn't own the land and
hasn't paid the required rent on it for more than a decade. But that's
not the issue. The issue is, if you engage the federal government in a
shooting match, you are going to lose.

Who instigated the conflict? Not Bundy. Not his neighbors. Not the
state. Not even the federal government until Reid got involved along
with his son with a deal to have the Chinese build a solar energy site.
First it was endangered "dessert tortoises". What a joke.

On 4/12/14, 11:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/12/2014 9:29 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/12/14, 9:10 AM, KC wrote:
On 4/12/2014 9:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 4/12/14, 2:53 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Militias head to Nevada rancher?s standoff with feds: We?re not
?afraid to shoot?



Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy?s decades-long battle against the
federal
government over grazing rights has heated to the point where
militia
groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who?ve
circled
his land ? and talk is, they?re not afraid to open fire.

A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to
local 8
News Now: I?m not ?afraid to shoot,? he said.

Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy?s sister and a cancer survivor, said
at a
town hall gathering this week that the situation ?was like a war
zone?
and that she felt ?like I was not in the United States,? The
Daily Mail reported.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: ?Serious
bloodshed
was narrowly avoided,? in a story about how dogs were unleashed
on a
woman who was pregnant while the rancher?s son was hit with a
taser.

On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr.
Bundy?s
property, escalating a court dispute that?s wound for two decades
over
the rancher?s refusal to pay for grazing fees.

Mr. Bundy?s view is that he owns his property ? that it?s been in
his
family?s hands for centuries ? and he doesn?t have to pay for his
own
900-head of cattle to graze on the 600,000 acre Gold Butte
property.

The government, meanwhile, says the land belongs to it, and
agents have
swooped and circled, closing off roadway access to the property
and
flying helicopters overhead the family?s home.

Following the agent occupation, one of Mr. Bundy?s sons, Ammon
Bundy, was
tasered by a federal official to the point that blood seeped
through his
shirt, video showed. Ms. Houston, meanwhile, said she was roughed
up and
manhandled by authorities, telling town hall attendees that she
was ?hit
from the back; it was like a football tackle? and that ?they just
took me
and threw me down to the ground,? The Daily Mail reported.

BLM, for its part, says the situation only turned violent when
protesters
who rallied to the family?s defense kicked a K-9 unit officer.

Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys
keep up the fight.

?This is what we do, we provide armed response,? Jim Lordy, with
Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. ?They
have guns.
We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.?

Mr. Lordy also said ?many more? militia groups are coming to the
site to
join in the Bundy family defense.

?They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we
speak,?
another member told the Review-Journal.

Read mo
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2ydAJtcrX




- - -

If a gunfight breaks out, I hope the feds kill them all. In this
country,
these sorts of disputes are supposed to be settled in court.

Well, I guess that union disputes that turn violent, should have
all the
union members killed that are at the violence location! Frik'n
idiot. I
guess that Waco and Ruby Ridge are high on your approval list.



You're a funny guy, Zell.

I may be funny, but you are sick.



Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Our country was born from our engagement of the government in a
gunfight. Some died, many more lived and the greatest incubator of
innovation and wealth creation emerged.


If you dig a little you will see that this all ties back to the land, a
Chinese Solar firm, and dun, dun, dun.... Senator Harry Reid.


If you dig a little more, you'll see that Bundy doesn't own the land and
hasn't paid the required rent on it for more than a decade. But that's
not the issue. The issue is, if you engage the federal government in a
shooting match, you are going to lose.

Who instigated the conflict? Not Bundy. Not his neighbors. Not the
state. Not even the federal government until Reid got involved along
with his son with a deal to have the Chinese build a solar energy site.
First it was endangered "dessert tortoises". What a joke.


Heheh. You fellows just don't get it. The point is, if you start an
armed battle with the feds or locals in this country, you are going to
.... *lose* .

On 4/12/14, 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 10:53:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/12/14, 10:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:03:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that if you engage the government in a
gunfight, you are probably going to die.

Or if you are just reaching for your wallet like Amadou Diallo.

As long as you have a badge, you can shoot unarmed people at will.



Wow. You have problems in Baltimore, problems in DC, and problems with
cops. At least when I get shot at, it's for a reason like registering
minority voters, helping maritime workers join unions, or working for
land reform in Central America.


Is that another non-responsive utterance or are you saying the cops
were shooting at you?


The first time, in Mississippi, it was just a carful of racist morons.
The second time, in Central America, several people in our group,
sitting at an adjacent table, were assassinated by government soldiers.
The third time, in Louisiana, it was by a rent-a-cop while we were just
outside a commercial supply ship facility at the waterfront.

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 01:53:31 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
Militias head to Nevada rancher’s standoff with feds: We’re not ‘afraid to shoot’



Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal
government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia
groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled
his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.

A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to local 8
News Now: I’m not “afraid to shoot,” he said.

Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy’s sister and a cancer survivor, said at a
town hall gathering this week that the situation “was like a war zone”
and that she felt “like I was not in the United States,” The Daily Mail reported.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: “Serious bloodshed
was narrowly avoided,” in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a
woman who was pregnant while the rancher’s son was hit with a taser.

On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr. Bundy’s
property, escalating a court dispute that’s wound for two decades over
the rancher’s refusal to pay for grazing fees.

Mr. Bundy’s view is that he owns his property — that it’s been in his
family’s hands for centuries — and he doesn’t have to pay for his own
900-head of cattle to graze on the 600,000 acre Gold Butte property.

The government, meanwhile, says the land belongs to it, and agents have
swooped and circled, closing off roadway access to the property and
flying helicopters overhead the family’s home.

Following the agent occupation, one of Mr. Bundy’s sons, Ammon Bundy, was
tasered by a federal official to the point that blood seeped through his
shirt, video showed. Ms. Houston, meanwhile, said she was roughed up and
manhandled by authorities, telling town hall attendees that she was “hit
from the back; it was like a football tackle” and that “they just took me
and threw me down to the ground,” The Daily Mail reported.

BLM, for its part, says the situation only turned violent when protesters
who rallied to the family’s defense kicked a K-9 unit officer.

Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys keep up the fight.

“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy, with
Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. “They have guns.
We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”

Mr. Lordy also said “many more” militia groups are coming to the site to
join in the Bundy family defense.

“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,”
another member told the Review-Journal.

Read mo
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2ydAJtcrX

- - -

If a gunfight breaks out, I hope the feds kill them all. In this country,
these sorts of disputes are supposed to be settled in court.

Well, I guess that union disputes that turn violent, should have all the
union members killed that are at the violence location! Frik'n idiot. I
guess that Waco and Ruby Ridge are high on your approval list.



You're a funny guy, Zell.

I may be funny, but you are sick.

You represent your thoughts as if they were his and then call him
sick.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 11:42:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Heheh. You fellows just don't get it. The point is, if you start an
armed battle with the feds or locals in this country, you are going to
... *lose* .

I don't think they ever wanted to actually start an armed
insurrection. They just wanted a little publicity and to shine a light
on a government abuse of a guy who's family has been ranching this
patch for 140 years when nobody thought this patch of desert was
anything attractive.. In that regard it worked. If you don't get a gun
in the story, the media won't carry it. (you only have to look at how
fast the story about 38 people being stabbed in a school went away).
I am not saying some trigger happy cop might not make it a shooting
war That is what happened at Ruby Ridge.

As for the tortoise, the best thing they could do is let the cows
stay. They do not threaten the tortoise in any way. A chinese
manufacturing plant and a solar farm definitely will. It certainly
will be covered up but if one of those burrows gets in the way, the
tortoise will be killed and the burrow covered up by whatever they
want to build there.

What a crock. Conspiracy theories. Sure Nancy Pelosi isn't involved?
The guy has been deadbeating the gov for 20 years, and owes $1.1 million
in fees.
Right-wing wacko rancher who decides not to pay the fees for grazing his
cattle on federal land and ****ing up the environment.
Simple as that.
Sure do have some illogical people on this newsgroup.
"Republicans?" Conservatives?"
Or wackos?

On 4/12/14, 5:21 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 11:42:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Heheh. You fellows just don't get it. The point is, if you start an
armed battle with the feds or locals in this country, you are going to
... *lose* .

I don't think they ever wanted to actually start an armed
insurrection. They just wanted a little publicity and to shine a light
on a government abuse of a guy who's family has been ranching this
patch for 140 years when nobody thought this patch of desert was
anything attractive.. In that regard it worked. If you don't get a gun
in the story, the media won't carry it. (you only have to look at how
fast the story about 38 people being stabbed in a school went away).
I am not saying some trigger happy cop might not make it a shooting
war That is what happened at Ruby Ridge.

As for the tortoise, the best thing they could do is let the cows
stay. They do not threaten the tortoise in any way. A chinese
manufacturing plant and a solar farm definitely will. It certainly
will be covered up but if one of those burrows gets in the way, the
tortoise will be killed and the burrow covered up by whatever they
want to build there.

What a crock. Conspiracy theories. Sure Nancy Pelosi isn't involved?
The guy has been deadbeating the gov for 20 years, and owes $1.1 million
in fees.
Right-wing wacko rancher who decides not to pay the fees for grazing his
cattle on federal land and ****ing up the environment.
Simple as that.
Sure do have some illogical people on this newsgroup.
"Republicans?" Conservatives?"
Or wackos?




Republican, Conservative, and Wacko pretty much describe the same
political party.

On 4/12/14, 10:20 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:20:09 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Republican, Conservative, and Wacko pretty much describe the same
political party.

Hypocrite and democrat seem to go together pretty well too.



All political parties have their share of hypocrites. Your party,
however, pretty much has the market cornered on wackos in its elected
officials, party functionaries, and "affinity" groups.