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Mr. Luddite April 1st 14 05:00 PM

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On 4/1/2014 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/1/2014 10:09 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:07:33 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/1/14, 8:59 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 08:24:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I won't comment on the relative speed of an app running under XP versus
Windoze 8. I don't have any machines handy that run either.

Yet you continue to.

I would suggest that until you actually benchmark a few movies, you
are talking out your ass.

The reality is i do not do enough video editing for it to even be a
factor and if the minute or two it takes me dropped to 5 seconds, it
would not change my opinion.
I do know I can encode a typical MP3 cut in about 15 seconds and that
is fast enough for me.



Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.

Perhaps you should downgrade to an 8088 system and save electricity.


There you go.
You started out with a very rational response, then you just got
stupid on me.


My hardware is still pretty fast, Moore's law is rapidly hitting the
speed of light wall.

Gregg, I would think by now that you would realize that if Harry wears
size 36x32 pants, then *everyone* should wear size 36x32 size pants.

There are far more systems out there running Windows XP than what meets
the eye from a computer user's standpoint. Debit card machines, gas
pumps, cash registers, etc. have been using Windows XP for years and
continue to do so.

Technology marches on though.

Wafer fabrication and line widths for CPUs are now at the sub-micron
level. Many believe technology is quickly reaching the practical limit
of line widths and power densities. In some applications artificially
created diamond heat sinks are required. (Diamond has the unique
property of being an electrical insulator but an excellent heat
conductor. The company I had built some systems for the creation of
polycrystalline diamond films, generated by disassociating carbon from
gases like methane or butane with a plasma in vacuum).

A future technology that is emerging is the replacement of traditional
PC boards with copper conductors with those that transmit data using
tiny optical emitters and detectors. The big advantage is that signal
paths can cross without affecting each other. I am currently doing
some consulting work with a company involved in this.



You are still hitting the wall.
Regular chips are about tapped out.
We are rapidly approaching the point that we will be super cooling
processors to get quantum effects.
There is only so much you can do to shorten the data path.
They are just making them wider. (multiple processors, wider buses)


Ummm ... I don't claim to be a semiconductor manufacturing expert nor
have a lot of experience in wafer fab but there are companies investing
a lot of research money into the optical replacement of copper tracing
of single, double and multi-level boards. The focus ( no pun intended)
is on reducing size and complexity. Not sure what gains in overall
processing speeds are achieved although claims are made that it will.

These are tiny, pin head sized laser diodes. The cool thing is that the
light paths can intersect others with no interference or "shorts".

Boating All Out April 1st 14 05:07 PM

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In article , says...


Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.


I don't do "video transcoding" and never will.
OTOH I'm a gamer.
Macintosh just doesn't cut it.
Windows does.


F*O*A*D April 1st 14 05:13 PM

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On 4/1/14, 12:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.


I don't do "video transcoding" and never will.
OTOH I'm a gamer.
Macintosh just doesn't cut it.
Windows does.


There's no question that Windows is *the* PC gaming platform of choice.
Have you tried any of the action games via Steam? It seems like an
interesting concept.

I think I have two or three games on my iMac, a pinball game,
Borderlands2 (a fairly recent vintage shoot'em'up) and one other whose
name I cannot recall.

I used to like MS Golf, Doom, and a couple of others when I had a PC.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d April 1st 14 05:16 PM

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On 3/31/2014 9:53 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/31/14, 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 7:49 PM,
wrote:


Do any DVD encoding?


I have no problem burning DVDs. (Copying them, stripping off the
trailers, remastering to strip the DRM, reformatting the video file or
whatever)
I am really getting away from DVD tho. I think any media on bits of
plastic is obsolete technology. I haven't fooled with music CDs for
close to a decade.
About the only thing I use them for is storing drivers and some tools
for when you are building a machine before it gets smart enough to
talk on the network.



Yes, well, on a modern computer with a modern OS, DVD encoding takes
place...faster. A lot faster. And encoding is a tad more than copying or
burning DVDs or stripping out DRM.


Sounds like you might be a bootlegging expert.

Mr. Luddite April 1st 14 05:23 PM

Here come da Judge...
 
On 4/1/2014 12:07 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Ahh. The point was not whether what you do with a computer could be done
faster on a more powerful computer with a modern OS. As I stated several
times, I have no idea what you do with a computer beyond running some
weather app and a "jukebox." I mentioned video transcoding because it is
a good test of the OS, the app, and the hardware. There are any number
of other apps that run faster on modern gear.

Apparently what you do doesn't put much stress on your computer setups,
and since you have lots of time to wait, procedures that run faster are
not important to you.


I don't do "video transcoding" and never will.
OTOH I'm a gamer.
Macintosh just doesn't cut it.
Windows does.



I've done video transcoding on both a Vista computer and a Win 7 (both
64 bit) computer. Yeah, depending on the video it can take 20 or 30
minutes to complete but how often do I do it? Not very.

I've never tried it on my iMac but it wouldn't perform like Harry's. He
tricks his computers out with max RAM and the "best" of everything.
Mere mortals like me that use computers for common, everyday stuff don't
do that.

As for Mac versus PCs ... I like 'em both. The iMac gets very little
use though. For my purposes and judgement it is of excellent quality,
fast enough but I really have to ask myself if it's 2 or 3 times better
than the Win 7 HP laptop or Vista HP laptop that I use in terms of
price. I don't think so. It still reminds me of an overgrown, pricy
version of my wife's iPhone.

I also don't wear size 36x32 pants.



Wayne.B April 1st 14 05:43 PM

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On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:38:15 -0400, wrote:

You are still hitting the wall.
Regular chips are about tapped out.
We are rapidly approaching the point that we will be super cooling
processors to get quantum effects.
There is only so much you can do to shorten the data path.
They are just making them wider. (multiple processors, wider buses)


===

There's talk of stacking vertical substrates also. However the big
future opportunities are in developing better software that can take
advantage of massively parallel processors like IBM's Watson. Those
machines are very esoteric and expensive with today's hardware but
it's only a matter of time before they can stamp them out like jelly
beans. Present software systems have to be highly customized to take
advantage of that kind of power and more generic solutions are needed.
If quantum computers ever become a reality, and they probably will,
they will all will be massively parallel. The possibility of
simulating human thought at blindingly fast speeds is somewhere out
there on the horizon for better or worse, along with instant and
accurate language translation, monitoring millions of security cameras
simultaneously, accurate long range weather forecasting, and a whole
bunch of stuff that hasn't even been thought of yet. Computer
applications are already designing new computer hardware and have been
for some time. What we need now are applications that design and
produce new software.

Boating All Out April 1st 14 05:45 PM

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There's no question that Windows is *the* PC gaming platform of choice.
Have you tried any of the action games via Steam? It seems like an
interesting concept.


Yes, Steam is practically a prerequite for on-line gaming.
Didn't know Borderlands 2 had a Mac version. Many games don't.
Anyway, I can't imagine buying a Mac unless it met some professional
need. Otherwise it's an overpriced, short-life machine.


Boating All Out April 1st 14 06:20 PM

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In article ,
says...


I've done video transcoding on both a Vista computer and a Win 7 (both
64 bit) computer. Yeah, depending on the video it can take 20 or 30
minutes to complete but how often do I do it? Not very.


My dad burns a lot pirated movies onto DVD's using Windows. Hardly ever
watches any of them.
Maybe with a Mac he could make more DVD's that he won't watch?
My wife was burning Netflix rentals onto DVD's on her computer.
Hundreds of them. We watched maybe 5% of them.
Then she stopped. She learned the futility of it.
I'm nearly all electronic now, and don't have much use for DVD's.

I've never tried it on my iMac but it wouldn't perform like Harry's. He
tricks his computers out with max RAM and the "best" of everything.
Mere mortals like me that use computers for common, everyday stuff don't
do that.

As for Mac versus PCs ... I like 'em both. The iMac gets very little
use though. For my purposes and judgement it is of excellent quality,
fast enough but I really have to ask myself if it's 2 or 3 times better
than the Win 7 HP laptop or Vista HP laptop that I use in terms of
price. I don't think so. It still reminds me of an overgrown, pricy
version of my wife's iPhone.


Hey, if you want it, buy it. I never used a laptop except when work
required it, and my home PC's are big towers. Quality is top-notch,
since I chose the components when I built them.
I thoroughly enjoy my vacations sans any computers.



Mr. Luddite April 1st 14 06:22 PM

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On 4/1/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:00:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/1/2014 11:38 AM,
wrote:


You are still hitting the wall.
Regular chips are about tapped out.
We are rapidly approaching the point that we will be super cooling
processors to get quantum effects.
There is only so much you can do to shorten the data path.
They are just making them wider. (multiple processors, wider buses)


Ummm ... I don't claim to be a semiconductor manufacturing expert nor
have a lot of experience in wafer fab but there are companies investing
a lot of research money into the optical replacement of copper tracing
of single, double and multi-level boards. The focus ( no pun intended)
is on reducing size and complexity. Not sure what gains in overall
processing speeds are achieved although claims are made that it will.

These are tiny, pin head sized laser diodes. The cool thing is that the
light paths can intersect others with no interference or "shorts".


I have read about it in the trade rags. It still seems to have the
intent of making shorter and marginality faster data paths.
When you are splitting hairs on the speed of light vs electrons on
copper, in a chunk of real estate the size of your thumbnail, there is
not much more speed to be had.
Now when they get this quantum computing thing going, they are off to
the races again. I doubt you will have that on your desk anytime soon.


The available bandwidth of an optical system is orders of magnitude
greater than that of copper conductors. Hence, more data can be moved
faster simultaneously.



[email protected] April 1st 14 06:27 PM

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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:45:48 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...







There's no question that Windows is *the* PC gaming platform of choice.


Have you tried any of the action games via Steam? It seems like an


interesting concept.






Yes, Steam is practically a prerequite for on-line gaming.

Didn't know Borderlands 2 had a Mac version. Many games don't.

Anyway, I can't imagine buying a Mac unless it met some professional

need. Otherwise it's an overpriced, short-life machine.


A Mac's niche in the working world used to be in graphics and video. That edge is practically non-existent these days.

The place I work is an engineering and software company. *All* of the work gets done on PCs running Windows. The President is a Mac guy, so he and 3-4 others have Macs on their desks for email, spreadsheets, and letters. They bought Macs for the conference rooms. They are fiddly and hard to use. Nearly everyone rolls their eyes and hates them.


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