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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 08:53:58 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:07:49 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim

wrote:



Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here!



john, I've handled and shot one. I was impressed with it's size, but not the price. One neat thing about it is that it will handle a .410 shotgun slug! Easy to handle with no really distinctive kick. If you load it with bird shot it's great against critters.



I always wondered why a .410 slug would be more effective than a hot

load in .45LC.

To start with the powder charge in a .410 would be optimized for a 20"

or longer barrel. I would expect a major part of the powder to burn

after the slug left the muzzle.

I know guys who were serious about performance loaded very fast

powders for their "snubbies" to squeeze out maximum velocity.

Shotgun powders are pretty slow.

But at close range, (like snakes or rats or home intruders) I can't see it would make any difference. I know there are people out there that study loading to a science, but I never was one of them. If the round is easy to come up with at a reasonable cost, that's for me.

I know a guy that has a .500 SW.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/therundown/5.jpg

That shell is just plain angry. I've shot it and it's close to being a wrist breaker. And approx $3.00 a shot.

He thinks it's cool. I think "what's the point?"

===

It's a "show gun" and conversation piece, not much more. I suppose if
you are into shooting buffalos or grizzly bears at short range it
might have some value.

Looks like it is used, blow-by on the cylinder. If I was in the
Northwest or Alaska I would want to carry one when I was out in the
wood. A bear wouldn't feel or be bothered by a 9mm or 38.

I just wonder if a Judge loaded with .410 #4 shot aimed at the eyeballs from a short distance
wouldn't discourage a bear. Don't know as I'd want to experiment, but I've been wondering about that
since someone mentioned grizzly bears.

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On 3/31/14, 9:40 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:

I just wonder if a Judge loaded with .410 #4 shot aimed at the eyeballs from a short distance
wouldn't discourage a bear. Don't know as I'd want to experiment, but I've been wondering about that
since someone mentioned grizzly bears.


Oh, give it a try.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:02:19 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:

Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those?

Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds

into the cylinder.



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one.

I don't think Taurus makes the moon clips for the Judge, as S&W does for the Governor. However, upon
looking, I came across this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/492...e-package-of-5

I don't know what Taurus says about this. One video says that 'it is not recommended by the weapon
manufacturer. But, they seem to work pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI

Its all fun and games until somebody blows off their hand.

It looks like Midway has stopped carrying them. Out of stock - no backorder. And the reviews
indicate they didn't fit the Judge very well anyway. S&W must have designed the Governor with the
moon clips in mind from the gitgo.

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:58:35 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

===

If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory
unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be
unhappy however.

That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be
pre-loaded for a competition?

===

It depends on the format of the competition of course. For the event
that I usually shoot in you'd need five.

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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:47:41 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:45:32 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:

...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the



Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of



these two revolvers:







http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41







http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y







Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I



see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes.







Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here!



I've fired a few rounds from a Judge and it's cool, but I don't see the value. The guy had some .410 shells with three 00 (I think) buckshot in them. At 10 yards they put three nice holes in a 10 inch circle.



BTW, does your gmail address work?

I don't check it. Private message sent.

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wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 08:53:58 -0400, BAR wrote:

Looks like it is used, blow-by on the cylinder. If I was in the
Northwest or Alaska I would want to carry one when I was out in the
wood. A bear wouldn't feel or be bothered by a 9mm or 38.

I suppose that depends on where you hit him.
I agree a center of mass shot with a pistol is not going to stop a
****ed grizzly but I doubt much less than a magnum rifle would.

Guys I know that fish Alaska say the guides use a shotgun with the first 3
rounds rubber slugs. Then 00 buck shells, and the pistols are minimum 44
mag and 454 Casul. They prefer not to kill the bear, as the paperwork is
really bad. They also tell the fisherman, that the fish is always the
bears. Even if you have a world record salmon on the line, if the bear
wants it the bear owns it.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:19:40 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:58:35 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage
except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here?

===

If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory
unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be
unhappy however.

That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be
pre-loaded for a competition?

===

It depends on the format of the competition of course. For the event
that I usually shoot in you'd need five.

Wow. That explains why speed loaders would be necessary. Thanks.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:47:41 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:45:32 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:

...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the



Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of



these two revolvers:







http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41







http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y







Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I



see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes.







Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here!



I've fired a few rounds from a Judge and it's cool, but I don't see the value. The guy had some .410 shells with three 00 (I think) buckshot in them. At 10 yards they put three nice holes in a 10 inch circle.



BTW, does your gmail address work?

I don't check it. Private message sent.

Got it.

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On 3/31/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 07:53:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 1:26 AM, wrote:

You are mentally limiting what others might do by what you might do.
Some like the Colt round and pistol for nostalgic reasons, I'd bet. I
know I do.


... and you say I am the dinosaur


You like obsolete computers and operating systems. There's nothing
obsolete about a .45 Colt round; it still does the job, and against
modern adversaries. It's not like trying to run complex, contemporary
software in a decades old computer with a decade old OS. :)

My OS is not obsolete, for all the same reasons.

What will W/8 do that I can't? (Apple too for that matter)



I don't stay down to speed, as it were, on XP or the computers on which
it runs. I suppose I could run XP on my iMac but why would I want to do
that?

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On 3/31/14, 2:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:34:48 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 07:53:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/31/14, 1:26 AM, wrote:

You are mentally limiting what others might do by what you might do.
Some like the Colt round and pistol for nostalgic reasons, I'd bet. I
know I do.


... and you say I am the dinosaur


You like obsolete computers and operating systems. There's nothing
obsolete about a .45 Colt round; it still does the job, and against
modern adversaries. It's not like trying to run complex, contemporary
software in a decades old computer with a decade old OS. :)

My OS is not obsolete, for all the same reasons.

What will W/8 do that I can't? (Apple too for that matter)



I don't stay down to speed, as it were, on XP or the computers on which
it runs. I suppose I could run XP on my iMac but why would I want to do
that?

Andy Grove and Bill Gates summed it up. Bill wrote software to sell
Grove's new hardware. A perfect storm of planned obsolescence.
I am surprised an anti-corporation guy like you falls for it.
The only reason you need more speed is because the bloated software
needs it. A clean XP machine runs as fast as a W/8 machine. It is just
not dragging around an extra gig of software behind it.

If you really want a fast machine, load XP on a machine that was
shipped with W/8 or even 7.
(Like my lap top)

Most "slow" computers are just slowed by the spyware and useless
crapware people get tricked into loading on it.
For the same amount of work you would have to do to move to a new
machine, you could just reload your old one. That is trivial if you
have a good disk image of it when it was clean.



I doubt my MAC OS is as bloated as the typical setup suite on most new
Windoze machines, and I also doubt an obsolete Win XP setup with its old
CPU's, video card, slow drive and limited RAM are going to keep pace.

I'm not aware of any spyware or crapware Apple includes with the OS.
That's much more of a Windoze phenom, eh?

My iMac has a four core i7 CPU, 24 GB's of RAM, a fast video card and a
SSD for its hard drive. I don't think your warp drive XP is going to
transcode videos via Handbrake as quickly as either my desktop or laptop
on OSx.9+

I'm not sure XP has the drivers necessary to operate the hardware on a
contemporary i7 Windoze box.