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....by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the
Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! |
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On 3/29/14, 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! *You* handling a .45 with an under 3" barrel? Go for it...I'll be able to read about your gun accident in the Wash Post. |
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On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:19:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Maybe Taurus just can't pass that MA test requirement - fire ten rounds after filling the barrel with concrete and running over the gun with a tank! |
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On 3/29/14, 10:19 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. What's next for Johnny the Gunner? A pistol to take into the toilet with him? |
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 6:45:32 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! john, I've handled and shot one. I was impressed with it's size, but not the price. One neat thing about it is that it will handle a .410 shotgun slug! Easy to handle with no really distinctive kick. If you load it with bird shot it's great against critters. I'd rather have the .410's than an obsolete .45 Colt. The .410 is cheaper and supply is plentiful |
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:07:49 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! john, I've handled and shot one. I was impressed with it's size, but not the price. One neat thing about it is that it will handle a .410 shotgun slug! Easy to handle with no really distinctive kick. If you load it with bird shot it's great against critters. I always wondered why a .410 slug would be more effective than a hot load in .45LC. To start with the powder charge in a .410 would be optimized for a 20" or longer barrel. I would expect a major part of the powder to burn after the slug left the muzzle. I know guys who were serious about performance loaded very fast powders for their "snubbies" to squeeze out maximum velocity. Shotgun powders are pretty slow. But at close range, (like snakes or rats or home intruders) I can't see it would make any difference. I know there are people out there that study loading to a science, but I never was one of them. If the round is easy to come up with at a reasonable cost, that's for me. I know a guy that has a .500 SW. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/therundown/5.jpg That shell is just plain angry. I've shot it and it's close to being a wrist breaker. And approx $3.00 a shot. He thinks it's cool. I think "what's the point?" |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:45:32 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! === For a snake gun I'd use downloaded 38 special or 45 ACP with snake shot. No sense making a lot of noise or recoil just to shoot a snake at close range. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:07:49 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! john, I've handled and shot one. I was impressed with it's size, but not the price. One neat thing about it is that it will handle a .410 shotgun slug! Easy to handle with no really distinctive kick. If you load it with bird shot it's great against critters. I always wondered why a .410 slug would be more effective than a hot load in .45LC. To start with the powder charge in a .410 would be optimized for a 20" or longer barrel. I would expect a major part of the powder to burn after the slug left the muzzle. I know guys who were serious about performance loaded very fast powders for their "snubbies" to squeeze out maximum velocity. Shotgun powders are pretty slow. But at close range, (like snakes or rats or home intruders) I can't see it would make any difference. I know there are people out there that study loading to a science, but I never was one of them. If the round is easy to come up with at a reasonable cost, that's for me. I know a guy that has a .500 SW. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/therundown/5.jpg That shell is just plain angry. I've shot it and it's close to being a wrist breaker. And approx $3.00 a shot. He thinks it's cool. I think "what's the point?" === It's a "show gun" and conversation piece, not much more. I suppose if you are into shooting buffalos or grizzly bears at short range it might have some value. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:26:56 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:07:49 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! john, I've handled and shot one. I was impressed with it's size, but not the price. One neat thing about it is that it will handle a .410 shotgun slug! Easy to handle with no really distinctive kick. If you load it with bird shot it's great against critters. I always wondered why a .410 slug would be more effective than a hot load in .45LC. To start with the powder charge in a .410 would be optimized for a 20" or longer barrel. I would expect a major part of the powder to burn after the slug left the muzzle. I know guys who were serious about performance loaded very fast powders for their "snubbies" to squeeze out maximum velocity. Shotgun powders are pretty slow. But at close range, (like snakes or rats or home intruders) I can't see it would make any difference. I know there are people out there that study loading to a science, but I never was one of them. If the round is easy to come up with at a reasonable cost, that's for me. I know a guy that has a .500 SW. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/therundown/5.jpg That shell is just plain angry. I've shot it and it's close to being a wrist breaker. And approx $3.00 a shot. He thinks it's cool. I think "what's the point?" === It's a "show gun" and conversation piece, not much more. I suppose if you are into shooting buffalos or grizzly bears at short range it might have some value. If Tim was coming at you in a dark alley, you might *think* grizzly bear! |
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On 3/29/14, 2:37 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
It's a "show gun" and conversation piece, not much more. I suppose if you are into shooting buffalos or grizzly bears at short range it might have some value. If Tim was coming at you in a dark alley, you might *think* grizzly bear! Unbelievable. |
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Poquito Loco wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. |
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote: Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. |
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On 3/30/14, 8:49 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote: Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. At the moment there is plenty of LC available from mail order suppliers, but it is still expensive, at 75 cents a round. Herring sure is "gunning up." Is he expecting an insurrection in his neighborhood? |
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. |
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:45:32 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I've fired a few rounds from a Judge and it's cool, but I don't see the value. The guy had some .410 shells with three 00 (I think) buckshot in them. At 10 yards they put three nice holes in a 10 inch circle. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote: Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those? Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds into the cylinder. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N |
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On 3/30/14, 9:39 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:00:20 -0400, Earl wrote: Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! I have that Judge - the 2.5" model. It's a great little gun for home protection or snakes, too! It will shoot the .45 Colt or the .410 shotgun shells. Go for it! They aren't that expensive. I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those? Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds into the cylinder. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N You're unfamiliar with moon clips, eh? That's really funny. Do you even know what the initialism ACP stands for? Do you know what the differences are between a .45 ACP round and a .45 LC round? They are substantial in every aspect. Do you know there are three major varieties of LC round, and the wrong one might prove disastrous? Have you ever fired a .45 round in a really light, short-barrel pistol? It takes a lot of practice to get reliable repeatable results with those handguns shooting those rounds. I don't think "The Judge" is an adequate revolver to shoot either those ..410 gauge shotgun shells or the .45 LC rounds. |
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those? Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds into the cylinder. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those? Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds into the cylinder. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one. I don't think Taurus makes the moon clips for the Judge, as S&W does for the Governor. However, upon looking, I came across this: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/492...e-package-of-5 I don't know what Taurus says about this. One video says that 'it is not recommended by the weapon manufacturer. But, they seem to work pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:06:17 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:56:51 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:39:01 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: Well, I see one must use a 'moon clip' to fire the .45ACP rounds in the S&W. Ever used one of those? Looks like you'd have to slide the rounds in the moon clip, and then slide all the clipped rounds into the cylinder. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765853_-1_757842_757839_757837_ProductDisplayErrorView_N Yes, the 'moon' clips were originated in WWI so the Brits could fire the .45 ACP in their .45 Webley revolvers. And that's OK for the Judge, but I'd just as soon use .410's if I had one. I don't think Taurus makes the moon clips for the Judge, as S&W does for the Governor. However, upon looking, I came across this: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/492...e-package-of-5 I don't know what Taurus says about this. One video says that 'it is not recommended by the weapon manufacturer. But, they seem to work pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI Moon clips may be old school technology but it is basically a speed loader if they are designed to actually hold the case. You can throw a cylinder full of rounds in with one move. You don't even need to remove the loader like you do with one of these http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HKS586A I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here? |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:12:56 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:06:17 -0400, wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsLl0eOHwI Moon clips may be old school technology but it is basically a speed loader if they are designed to actually hold the case. You can throw a cylinder full of rounds in with one move. You don't even need to remove the loader like you do with one of these http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HKS586A I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here? That is what it is all about. The thought is you don't want to be bumbling around with loose rounds if you have to reload in a hurry. My thought is, if you really thought you were going to be in that serious of a social situation, you should have a double stack SA but that is more movie **** than real life. Most self defense situations would be handled with one of these http://doubletapdefense.com/ That looks like it'd getter done! |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here? === If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be unhappy however. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here? === If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be unhappy however. That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be pre-loaded for a competition? |
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On 3/30/14, 2:58 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:39:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:38:01 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I don't have a speed loader for either revolver, and I can't see how it would be any advantage except in a 'shoot 'em out' situation. Or am I, in my almighty ignorance, missing something here? === If you shoot timed competition in a group it is almost mandatory unless you don't mind keeping everyone else waiting. They will be unhappy however. That makes good sense. I've never been to a competition. How many speed loaders would have to be pre-loaded for a competition? Depends on the sort of competition and what sort of shot you might be... This will give you a clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOy7Fule8eA If you are shooting USPSA, you want a rig like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KXR2HwUAxQ |
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On 3/30/14, 12:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:11:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/30/14, 11:23 AM, wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. I think the attractiveness of .45 ACP is that they tend to go cheaper than .45 LC If you shoot a lot, this can make a lot of difference. The attractiveness of the .45 ACP has a lot to do with the fact that the round, its size, its casing, its powder charge, were redesigned for semi-auto pistols, while the .45 LC round is used mostly in revolvers and "cowboy" style lever-action rifles. There are far more "Automatic Colt Pistols" in use these days, I would guess, than .45 LC wheel guns. You are also correct that the ACP rounds are cheaper..about half the price these days of a LC round. http://tinyurl.com/kw9qz8b The real problem with .45LC is the archaic history of it. A commercial loader is pretty much limited to 14,000 PSI pressures where a .45 ACP can load over 20,000 PSI. Those are both over 100 years old tho. When you look at modern stuff like .357SIG you see what you can do with a modern round in a modern gun. If you have a modern gun, know what it is capable of and load yourself you could get .45LC up to .44mag performance. The problem is if some yahoo put that round in an old .45, you have a grenade. Personally, if I wanted a big bore revolver, I would go with a .44 mag in the first place. Then I would have a great range of off the shelf ammo. You can shoot anything from a very modest .44 spl to a hot .44 mag. Wheel gun guys should really look at reloading anyway. Catching the brass in not a problem and cheap cast bullets are a viable alternative to pricy factory jacketed stuff for your day to day plinking. If you are willing to cast your own bullets, you can shoot .45 for about 6-8 cents a shot. That assumes your time is not as important as your money. I used to reload pistol but I never fooled with shotgun and I did not cast my own bullets. I would guess a huge percentage of guys shooting .45 Colt are engaged in "cowboy" shooting, and are not looking for high pressures. I've even seen some .45 in what was called Smith & Wesson .45, a round shorter than the .45 Colt round. |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:56:55 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. Just buy the Smith & Wesson Governor. Holds six rounds of .410, 45 LC and 45 ACP. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory4_750001_ 750051_769651_-1_757767_757751_image I'm gonna wait 'til the pythons get closer. |
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On 3/30/14, 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:56:55 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. Just buy the Smith & Wesson Governor. Holds six rounds of .410, 45 LC and 45 ACP. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory4_750001_ 750051_769651_-1_757767_757751_image I'm gonna wait 'til the pythons get closer. They'll offer you professional courtesy as a fellow snake in the grass. |
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:56:55 AM UTC-7, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. Just buy the Smith & Wesson Governor. Holds six rounds of .410, 45 LC and 45 ACP. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory4_750001_ 750051_769651_-1_757767_757751_image Never been around one, but the price scares me away... |
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On 3/30/14, 6:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:56:55 AM UTC-7, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. Just buy the Smith & Wesson Governor. Holds six rounds of .410, 45 LC and 45 ACP. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory4_750001_ 750051_769651_-1_757767_757751_image Never been around one, but the price scares me away... What is the fascination here with these big caliber, lightweight, short barrel revolvers? |
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:23:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:56:55 AM UTC-7, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:06:08 PM UTC-7, Earl wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:45 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: ...by Taurus, that is! I'm thinking global warming may cause an infusion of rattlesnakes into the Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland/Washington DC area, and therefore I may have need of one of these two revolvers: http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Revolver&toggle=&bread crumbseries=41 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827547_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y Anyone own one of these? I like the idea that the S&W will fire the .45 ACP. The Taurus, from what I see, is limited to the .45 Colt, as far as .45 caliber goes. Anyone? Who knows, maybe those damn pythons will work their way up here! Just a comment: A major gun dealership in my area states unequivocally on their website that they will *not* stock or sell handguns made by Taurus citing poor quality, almost non-existent customer service and having had major issues with the company. Taurus is a Brazilian gun manufacturing company. Mine says "Made In Brazil" Taurus, Miami, FL. For what you get, I think the pricing is a tad much, but not unreasonable. I don't know, I haven't been in the firearm marked for about 15 years. Just buy the Smith & Wesson Governor. Holds six rounds of .410, 45 LC and 45 ACP. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...egory4_750001_ 750051_769651_-1_757767_757751_image Never been around one, but the price scares me away... Yeah, I can do without it for a while. |
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, wrote:
I would guess a huge percentage of guys shooting .45 Colt are engaged in "cowboy" shooting, and are not looking for high pressures. I've even seen some .45 in what was called Smith & Wesson .45, a round shorter than the .45 Colt round. If you are not in actual "cowboy" competition I am still not sure what the attractiveness if .45LC is. I imagine you could shoot a "SA Army" type, 44 mag revolver, with .44 spc loads. It gives you some real bang if you need it., soft pop if you don't. I rarely use it, but it'shandy in case I do need it. But I mainly shoot .44 Smith's in my magnum. less racket and recoil. if I can't do thee job with a Smith round, I'm sure not going it do it with a Mag. round either. |
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On 3/30/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:28:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/30/14, 12:57 PM, wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:11:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/30/14, 11:23 AM, wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. I think the attractiveness of .45 ACP is that they tend to go cheaper than .45 LC If you shoot a lot, this can make a lot of difference. The attractiveness of the .45 ACP has a lot to do with the fact that the round, its size, its casing, its powder charge, were redesigned for semi-auto pistols, while the .45 LC round is used mostly in revolvers and "cowboy" style lever-action rifles. There are far more "Automatic Colt Pistols" in use these days, I would guess, than .45 LC wheel guns. You are also correct that the ACP rounds are cheaper..about half the price these days of a LC round. http://tinyurl.com/kw9qz8b The real problem with .45LC is the archaic history of it. A commercial loader is pretty much limited to 14,000 PSI pressures where a .45 ACP can load over 20,000 PSI. Those are both over 100 years old tho. When you look at modern stuff like .357SIG you see what you can do with a modern round in a modern gun. If you have a modern gun, know what it is capable of and load yourself you could get .45LC up to .44mag performance. The problem is if some yahoo put that round in an old .45, you have a grenade. Personally, if I wanted a big bore revolver, I would go with a .44 mag in the first place. Then I would have a great range of off the shelf ammo. You can shoot anything from a very modest .44 spl to a hot .44 mag. Wheel gun guys should really look at reloading anyway. Catching the brass in not a problem and cheap cast bullets are a viable alternative to pricy factory jacketed stuff for your day to day plinking. If you are willing to cast your own bullets, you can shoot .45 for about 6-8 cents a shot. That assumes your time is not as important as your money. I used to reload pistol but I never fooled with shotgun and I did not cast my own bullets. I would guess a huge percentage of guys shooting .45 Colt are engaged in "cowboy" shooting, and are not looking for high pressures. I've even seen some .45 in what was called Smith & Wesson .45, a round shorter than the .45 Colt round. If you are not in actual "cowboy" competition I am still not sure what the attractiveness if .45LC is. I imagine you could shoot a "SA Army" type, 44 mag revolver, with .44 spc loads. It gives you some real bang if you need it., soft pop if you don't. You are mentally limiting what others might do by what you might do. Some like the Colt round and pistol for nostalgic reasons, I'd bet. I know I do. |
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On 3/30/2014 9:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:28:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/30/14, 12:57 PM, wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:11:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/30/14, 11:23 AM, wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:30:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: I'm wondering if the .45ACP capability of the S&W is worth it. How hard is .45 Colt to come by. I sure don't ever see it in my favorite, most beloved, WalMart store. Probably harder than you think, and more than you care. I like the LC but not every place has it because there's not much demand for it. I think the attractiveness of .45 ACP is that they tend to go cheaper than .45 LC If you shoot a lot, this can make a lot of difference. The attractiveness of the .45 ACP has a lot to do with the fact that the round, its size, its casing, its powder charge, were redesigned for semi-auto pistols, while the .45 LC round is used mostly in revolvers and "cowboy" style lever-action rifles. There are far more "Automatic Colt Pistols" in use these days, I would guess, than .45 LC wheel guns. You are also correct that the ACP rounds are cheaper..about half the price these days of a LC round. http://tinyurl.com/kw9qz8b The real problem with .45LC is the archaic history of it. A commercial loader is pretty much limited to 14,000 PSI pressures where a .45 ACP can load over 20,000 PSI. Those are both over 100 years old tho. When you look at modern stuff like .357SIG you see what you can do with a modern round in a modern gun. If you have a modern gun, know what it is capable of and load yourself you could get .45LC up to .44mag performance. The problem is if some yahoo put that round in an old .45, you have a grenade. Personally, if I wanted a big bore revolver, I would go with a .44 mag in the first place. Then I would have a great range of off the shelf ammo. You can shoot anything from a very modest .44 spl to a hot .44 mag. Wheel gun guys should really look at reloading anyway. Catching the brass in not a problem and cheap cast bullets are a viable alternative to pricy factory jacketed stuff for your day to day plinking. If you are willing to cast your own bullets, you can shoot .45 for about 6-8 cents a shot. That assumes your time is not as important as your money. I used to reload pistol but I never fooled with shotgun and I did not cast my own bullets. I would guess a huge percentage of guys shooting .45 Colt are engaged in "cowboy" shooting, and are not looking for high pressures. I've even seen some .45 in what was called Smith & Wesson .45, a round shorter than the .45 Colt round. If you are not in actual "cowboy" competition I am still not sure what the attractiveness if .45LC is. I imagine you could shoot a "SA Army" type, 44 mag revolver, with .44 spc loads. It gives you some real bang if you need it., soft pop if you don't. Why don't they use cap guns for cowboy competitions, just like we did when we were kids. Real guns is too dangerous fer dem posers. |
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