On Saturday, March 22, 2014 5:17:31 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:31:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:57:00 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:45:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:







On 3/22/14, 12:29 PM, Mucho Loco wrote:



...did not happen, at least with my airplane. Too windy. But, one of the experienced guys let me



'buddy box' with him and his Super Cub airplane - which is also a trainer, but without the SAFE



technology.







Had fun, but can now understand why flying these things in the wind is risky. We didn't have any



real close calls, but there were several times he took control of the airplane as I had it in a



nosedive to the ground. I 'think' I could have pulled it out on my own, but it was, after all, his



airplane!







Lot's of fun, learned that I'd best get a simulator before I smash up my airplane. Looking at this



one, which already has my airplane and transmitter programmed therein:







http://www.phoenix-sim.com/default.asp







...even shows my airplane on the bottom of the page!















Johnny, you weren't flying, and you won't be. You're playing with model



airplanes. When a relative of mine plays with his radio-controlled model



trains, he doesn't think he is a railroad engineer.







Glad you enjoyed a sociable post, FOAD!!







Did I say I was a 'pilot'? The model airplane flies. I control it's flight.







From Wikipedia:







Pilot (Aircraft)







"A pilot or aviator is a person actively involved in flying an aircraft. Pilot is a somewhat more



precise term, as the pilot by definition directly controls the aircraft whereas the slightly broader



term aviator is a person who, though actively involved in flying the aircraft (whether plane,



rotary-wing, powered or unpowered), does not necessarily directly control its path."







Aircraft







"An aircraft is a machine that is able to fly by gaining support from the air, or, in general, the



atmosphere of a planet."







Gosh. Maybe for once your command of the English language leads you astray.



What a totally wrong asshole harry is.



In some ways, *flying* an RC airplane is more difficult that flying a full-scale one. There is no first person experience, no seat-of-the-pants feeling, no horizon to look at, no instruments to gauge your flight performance, and no stall buzzer. Many full scale pilots have bought RC planes, brought them to flying fields thinking they could fly them because, well, they are "real" pilots, them promptly crashed them. The few that eat humble pie come back with trainers and have a ball learning with an instructor.



Welcome to the world of flying RC airplanes. Once you climb the rather steep learning curve, I predict you'll love flying RC.



I loved the short time on the stick today. I did go buy a simulator though. You're right about 'full

scale' flying. In Vietnam I had the chance to take the stick on an OV-10 for about a half hour, with

the pilot telling me which way to go. We'd finished the missions and were just joy riding. It *is*

much easier to 'fly' the thing when you have a horizon and can feel what the airplane is doing.

Plus, you're always headed in the same direction as the airplane and don't have to worry about

'backwards' steering. It's cool.

Like Tim said, getting to fly a Bronco is very cool.

I've flown a couple of small planes in the co-pilot seat for a little while, and it is fun. I went up with a friend in a fully aerobatic Zlin one Sunday. He called me and said "I'm looking for a victim". We strapped on single use 'chutes and went up. Did a couple of hammerheads, aileron rolls, loops, and then started doing spins. On the second one we pulled negative 1..5 and positive 3 G's. Too much fun! However, I've just never really wanted to get my ticket. Too much responsibility and hassle.

The sim will help. It's all hand to eye coordination, and muscle memory (like golf!). It'll come.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:49:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, March 22, 2014 5:17:31 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:31:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:57:00 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:45:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:







On 3/22/14, 12:29 PM, Mucho Loco wrote:



...did not happen, at least with my airplane. Too windy. But, one of the experienced guys let me



'buddy box' with him and his Super Cub airplane - which is also a trainer, but without the SAFE



technology.







Had fun, but can now understand why flying these things in the wind is risky. We didn't have any



real close calls, but there were several times he took control of the airplane as I had it in a



nosedive to the ground. I 'think' I could have pulled it out on my own, but it was, after all, his



airplane!







Lot's of fun, learned that I'd best get a simulator before I smash up my airplane. Looking at this



one, which already has my airplane and transmitter programmed therein:







http://www.phoenix-sim.com/default.asp







...even shows my airplane on the bottom of the page!















Johnny, you weren't flying, and you won't be. You're playing with model



airplanes. When a relative of mine plays with his radio-controlled model



trains, he doesn't think he is a railroad engineer.







Glad you enjoyed a sociable post, FOAD!!







Did I say I was a 'pilot'? The model airplane flies. I control it's flight.







From Wikipedia:







Pilot (Aircraft)







"A pilot or aviator is a person actively involved in flying an aircraft. Pilot is a somewhat more



precise term, as the pilot by definition directly controls the aircraft whereas the slightly broader



term aviator is a person who, though actively involved in flying the aircraft (whether plane,



rotary-wing, powered or unpowered), does not necessarily directly control its path."







Aircraft







"An aircraft is a machine that is able to fly by gaining support from the air, or, in general, the



atmosphere of a planet."







Gosh. Maybe for once your command of the English language leads you astray.



What a totally wrong asshole harry is.



In some ways, *flying* an RC airplane is more difficult that flying a full-scale one. There is no first person experience, no seat-of-the-pants feeling, no horizon to look at, no instruments to gauge your flight performance, and no stall buzzer. Many full scale pilots have bought RC planes, brought them to flying fields thinking they could fly them because, well, they are "real" pilots, them promptly crashed them. The few that eat humble pie come back with trainers and have a ball learning with an instructor.



Welcome to the world of flying RC airplanes. Once you climb the rather steep learning curve, I predict you'll love flying RC.



I loved the short time on the stick today. I did go buy a simulator though. You're right about 'full

scale' flying. In Vietnam I had the chance to take the stick on an OV-10 for about a half hour, with

the pilot telling me which way to go. We'd finished the missions and were just joy riding. It *is*

much easier to 'fly' the thing when you have a horizon and can feel what the airplane is doing.

Plus, you're always headed in the same direction as the airplane and don't have to worry about

'backwards' steering. It's cool.

Like Tim said, getting to fly a Bronco is very cool.

I've flown a couple of small planes in the co-pilot seat for a little while, and it is fun. I went up with a friend in a fully aerobatic Zlin one Sunday. He called me and said "I'm looking for a victim". We strapped on single use 'chutes and went up. Did a couple of hammerheads, aileron rolls, loops, and then started doing spins. On the second one we pulled negative 1.5 and positive 3 G's. Too much fun! However, I've just never really wanted to get my ticket. Too much responsibility and hassle.

The sim will help. It's all hand to eye coordination, and muscle memory (like golf!). It'll come.

The pilot in the OV-10 took it up and did some aerobatics. At one point he looked in the mirror and
said, "You're not getting sick, are you?" Until he said that, I'd not thought about it. Once he said
it, I was glad they carried barf bags in the plane. I went through all four that were by my seat - a
couple more than once! When we landed, the crew chief (or whatever they call the NCO) asked me how
the flight was as he was unbuckling the harness. I said, "Great!" and about that time the four bags
plopped on the ground from inside my field jacket. Yeah, that was embarrassing as hell.

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

What is a "single use chute?"

A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended to get us to the ground alive, once.

Or, that's what he told me.

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

What is a "single use chute?"

A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended to get us to the ground alive, once.

Or, that's what he told me.

===

No worries.

They are sold with a full money back guaranty.

On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:48:32 AM UTC-7, Wayne. B wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:



What is a "single use chute?"



A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended to get us to the ground alive, once.



Or, that's what he told me.



===



No worries.



They are sold with a full money back guaranty.

LOL!

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

What is a "single use chute?"

A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended to get us to the ground alive, once.

Or, that's what he told me.

They're probably pre-packed at the factory, don't require maintenance, and don't require repacking -
both of which require well-trained personnel.

On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:03:38 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:



What is a "single use chute?"



A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended to get us to the ground alive, once.



Or, that's what he told me.



They're probably pre-packed at the factory, don't require maintenance, and don't require repacking -

both of which require well-trained personnel.

I'd be concerned about the people packing it the first time...

Tim wrote:
On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:03:38 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:



What is a "single use chute?"



A pre-packed, single use parachute. If we would have had to pull the
canopy handles, release the harnesses, and kick out, they were intended
to get us to the ground alive, once.



Or, that's what he told me.



They're probably pre-packed at the factory, don't require maintenance,
and don't require repacking -

both of which require well-trained personnel.

I'd be concerned about the people packing it the first time...

My first Air Force unit shared a building with the parachute riggers. They
all did very careful repack jobs. As every once in a while, they were
given a chute packed by them, chosen at ransom and had to make a jump