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On 3/17/14, 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:23:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

So, which of the righties here will solve Riemann? It assuredly won't be
me. I don't have the math chops for that.

It just sounds like one more thing you don't know how to do.

Indeed, Greggster, I said I didn't have the math chops to solve Riemann,
but I am interested in the great puzzle, and occasionally look around
the 'net to see what's happening in a solution. On the other hand,
you don't have the math chops to solve it, either.

Funny how that works, eh?

Mr. Luddite

On 3/17/2014 8:37 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/17/14, 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:23:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

So, which of the righties here will solve Riemann? It assuredly won't be
me. I don't have the math chops for that.

It just sounds like one more thing you don't know how to do.

Indeed, Greggster, I said I didn't have the math chops to solve Riemann,
but I am interested in the great puzzle, and occasionally look around
the 'net to see what's happening in a solution. On the other hand,
you don't have the math chops to solve it, either.

Funny how that works, eh?

Here you go Harry. Not exact, but close enough for government work.

http://nastyaccident.com/calculators/calculus/riemannMidpointRule

F*O*A*D

On 3/17/14, 8:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/17/2014 8:37 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/17/14, 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:23:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

So, which of the righties here will solve Riemann? It assuredly
won't be
me. I don't have the math chops for that.

It just sounds like one more thing you don't know how to do.

Indeed, Greggster, I said I didn't have the math chops to solve Riemann,
but I am interested in the great puzzle, and occasionally look around
the 'net to see what's happening in a solution. On the other hand,
you don't have the math chops to solve it, either.

Funny how that works, eh?

Here you go Harry. Not exact, but close enough for government work.

http://nastyaccident.com/calculators/calculus/riemannMidpointRule

Not hardly, but thanks.

Wayne.B

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:57:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2014 8:37 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/17/14, 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:23:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

So, which of the righties here will solve Riemann? It assuredly won't be
me. I don't have the math chops for that.

It just sounds like one more thing you don't know how to do.

Indeed, Greggster, I said I didn't have the math chops to solve Riemann,
but I am interested in the great puzzle, and occasionally look around
the 'net to see what's happening in a solution. On the other hand,
you don't have the math chops to solve it, either.

Funny how that works, eh?

Here you go Harry. Not exact, but close enough for government work.

http://nastyaccident.com/calculators/calculus/riemannMidpointRule

===

Harry is very proud of himself that he's discovered something called
the Riemann hypothesis also known as the Riemann conjecture. It's
not at all clear that he would understand the solution even if
delivered on a silver platter. It might be appropriate if we first
asked harry to describe the Riemann Zeta function in his own words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann..._zeta_function

F*O*A*D

On 3/17/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:37:42 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/17/14, 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:23:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

So, which of the righties here will solve Riemann? It assuredly won't be
me. I don't have the math chops for that.

It just sounds like one more thing you don't know how to do.

Indeed, Greggster, I said I didn't have the math chops to solve Riemann,
but I am interested in the great puzzle, and occasionally look around
the 'net to see what's happening in a solution. On the other hand,
you don't have the math chops to solve it, either.

Funny how that works, eh?

But there seems to be 100 other things I can do, that baffle you.
The only people I have ever met with a similar lack of any mechanical
skills at all was a few doctors, mostly specialists.
They did have valuable skills though. You seem to lack any beyond
writing ad copy.

I'm not aware of anything you have said you can do that "baffles" me.

Your last example of home handyman tasks, checking or changing the
impeller on an outboard, was a skill I picked up at my dad's dealership
when I was maybe 10 years old.

If I need to check the weather, I can look out in the yard or check the
readouts on my little weather gauge, or I can click on the weather app
on my iphone.

I can play the 4357 "tunes" on my server anywhere in the house or yard
or, in fact, anywhere I can get 'net access.

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

I will admit your love affair with an obsolete Windows OS baffles me,
but not enough to raise my curiosity to the point where I will try to
install it on anything.

I don't really write much "ad copy" anymore, but I did recently research
and write a proposal that got an NGO in Kenya a substantial grant for a
village to village program to help fight HIV/AIDs and also promote the
use of condoms. Oh, and for no compensation, I researched and wrote the
documentation that helped a religiously affiliated residential school
for autistic kids get on the approved funding list of an out of state
county in order to help a friend with an autistic kid.

I'm sure you have some handyman skills I don't have and even don't care
to have. When my car needs service, I take it to the shop. No
"bafflement" there, eh?

F*O*A*D

On 3/18/14, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:25:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

That is the only thing I believe

AAAA Plumbers, the first one in the Yellow Pages

Indeed, I'd want a *licensed* journeyman gas fitter to install a new gas
hot water heater, one who has at least:

Completed 32 hours of training in backflow prevention device testing

Completed 7,500 hours of training under the control and direction
of a licensed master plumber

Has held an apprentice license for at least four years

Has passed a comprehensive written examination

Those are the minimal requirements to get a journeyman's license in this
area.

The alternative, I suppose, is to hire an unlicensed home handyman type,
one whose formal training and experience in installing gas water heaters
was learned during a stint in the Coast Guard and in the assembly room
of an IBM factory.

The guy who supervised the digging of the trench for our generator and
the installation, hookup and testing of the gas lines was a licensed
master gas fitter who had a journeyman working under his direction.

I'll replace a faucet or pull and reinstall a toilet, but I'm not going
to fool around with propane or natural gas, nor am I going to let an
unlicensed handyman do that kind of job for me.

Sorry, Charlie. Say, if you need surgery, do you have any handy guy down
the street do it? Just how far does your disdain for formal education
and training go?

F*O*A*D

On 3/18/14, 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:09:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:25:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

That is the only thing I believe

AAAA Plumbers, the first one in the Yellow Pages

Indeed, I'd want a *licensed* journeyman gas fitter to install a new gas
hot water heater, one who has at least:

Completed 32 hours of training in backflow prevention device testing

Completed 7,500 hours of training under the control and direction
of a licensed master plumber

Has held an apprentice license for at least four years

Has passed a comprehensive written examination

Those are the minimal requirements to get a journeyman's license in this
area.

Yeah I am sure the bozo AAAA plumbing did all of that.,
Maybe the owner and license holder did but not everyone he hires.

BTW I hired a pro to hook the gas to my pool heater and rough in my
generator outlet too but I am not convinced the license holder was the
guy who showed up.

I am. The plumbers who did the gas lines and connects for our generator
were a licensed gas fitter and journeyman who work full time for the gas
company. The county inspector knew the fitter but asked to see the
license of the journeyman, who he did not know. The journeyman had a
copy of his license in the truck.

The gas and electrical inspectors were here several times and for the
final, when everything was turned on and checked out. The electrical
inspector checked *every* circuit. The gas inspector checked out the
trench for the line before the line itself was put in, and checked the
line once it was put in and connected to the generator. He did visual
and pressure checks and maybe more.

Why did you hire a "pro" for your work?

F*O*A*D

On 3/18/14, 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:37:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:09:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:25:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

That is the only thing I believe

AAAA Plumbers, the first one in the Yellow Pages

Indeed, I'd want a *licensed* journeyman gas fitter to install a new gas
hot water heater, one who has at least:

Completed 32 hours of training in backflow prevention device testing

Completed 7,500 hours of training under the control and direction
of a licensed master plumber

Has held an apprentice license for at least four years

Has passed a comprehensive written examination

Those are the minimal requirements to get a journeyman's license in this
area.

Yeah I am sure the bozo AAAA plumbing did all of that.,
Maybe the owner and license holder did but not everyone he hires.

BTW I hired a pro to hook the gas to my pool heater and rough in my
generator outlet too but I am not convinced the license holder was the
guy who showed up.

I am. The plumbers who did the gas lines and connects for our generator
were a licensed gas fitter and journeyman who work full time for the gas
company. The county inspector knew the fitter but asked to see the
license of the journeyman, who he did not know. The journeyman had a
copy of his license in the truck.

The gas and electrical inspectors were here several times and for the
final, when everything was turned on and checked out. The electrical
inspector checked *every* circuit. The gas inspector checked out the
trench for the line before the line itself was put in, and checked the
line once it was put in and connected to the generator. He did visual
and pressure checks and maybe more.

Why did you hire a "pro" for your work?

It was GAS! :-)

They also have tools I don't own.

It never occurred to me to hire anyone when I was in Md.

The gas company did that stuff for free.

Oh. I got the impression you rarely hired anyone for anything.

Poco Loco

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:55:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:37:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:09:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:25:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

That is the only thing I believe

AAAA Plumbers, the first one in the Yellow Pages

Indeed, I'd want a *licensed* journeyman gas fitter to install a new gas
hot water heater, one who has at least:

Completed 32 hours of training in backflow prevention device testing

Completed 7,500 hours of training under the control and direction
of a licensed master plumber

Has held an apprentice license for at least four years

Has passed a comprehensive written examination

Those are the minimal requirements to get a journeyman's license in this
area.

Yeah I am sure the bozo AAAA plumbing did all of that.,
Maybe the owner and license holder did but not everyone he hires.

BTW I hired a pro to hook the gas to my pool heater and rough in my
generator outlet too but I am not convinced the license holder was the
guy who showed up.

I am. The plumbers who did the gas lines and connects for our generator
were a licensed gas fitter and journeyman who work full time for the gas
company. The county inspector knew the fitter but asked to see the
license of the journeyman, who he did not know. The journeyman had a
copy of his license in the truck.

The gas and electrical inspectors were here several times and for the
final, when everything was turned on and checked out. The electrical
inspector checked *every* circuit. The gas inspector checked out the
trench for the line before the line itself was put in, and checked the
line once it was put in and connected to the generator. He did visual
and pressure checks and maybe more.

Why did you hire a "pro" for your work?

It was GAS! :-)

They also have tools I don't own.

It never occurred to me to hire anyone when I was in Md.

The gas company did that stuff for free.

Oh. I got the impression you rarely hired anyone for anything.

That was the impression I had also. Greg seems like a very capable guy and doesn't have to hire a
union certified 'professional' for every little chore that comes along - or most of the big ones for
that matter.

F*O*A*D

On 3/18/14, 5:36 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:55:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:37:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:09:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/18/14, 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:25:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

If I need to replace my gas water heater, I know exactly which plumber
to call. Nothing baffling there.

That is the only thing I believe

AAAA Plumbers, the first one in the Yellow Pages

Indeed, I'd want a *licensed* journeyman gas fitter to install a new gas
hot water heater, one who has at least:

Completed 32 hours of training in backflow prevention device testing

Completed 7,500 hours of training under the control and direction
of a licensed master plumber

Has held an apprentice license for at least four years

Has passed a comprehensive written examination

Those are the minimal requirements to get a journeyman's license in this
area.

Yeah I am sure the bozo AAAA plumbing did all of that.,
Maybe the owner and license holder did but not everyone he hires.

BTW I hired a pro to hook the gas to my pool heater and rough in my
generator outlet too but I am not convinced the license holder was the
guy who showed up.

I am. The plumbers who did the gas lines and connects for our generator
were a licensed gas fitter and journeyman who work full time for the gas
company. The county inspector knew the fitter but asked to see the
license of the journeyman, who he did not know. The journeyman had a
copy of his license in the truck.

The gas and electrical inspectors were here several times and for the
final, when everything was turned on and checked out. The electrical
inspector checked *every* circuit. The gas inspector checked out the
trench for the line before the line itself was put in, and checked the
line once it was put in and connected to the generator. He did visual
and pressure checks and maybe more.

Why did you hire a "pro" for your work?

It was GAS! :-)

They also have tools I don't own.

It never occurred to me to hire anyone when I was in Md.

The gas company did that stuff for free.

Oh. I got the impression you rarely hired anyone for anything.

That was the impression I had also. Greg seems like a very capable guy and doesn't have to hire a
union certified 'professional' for every little chore that comes along - or most of the big ones for
that matter.

D'oh. The unions here aren't licensing plumbers or any other trades
workers who need to be licensed. Down here, you need to get a permit to
have a permanent generator installed, and that likely is the case where
you live, too. I got three bids for the gas plumbing work, two from
union shops and one that turned out to be non-union. One of the union
shops was under the umbrella of the gas supplier, the other was an
outside contractor the generator contractor used, and the third was a
local non-union gas contractor.

The lowest bidder, by far, was the gas supplier. It pretty much tossed
in the labor of its union crew and equipment so long as I was willing to
pay for the Gasshield copper pipe and a couple of fittings, and it gave
me a substantial discount on the first tankful of propane. Nothing
special...it's how the supplier does business.

Oh, and if you do this sort of installation yourself and something bad
happens, guess what your insurance company will say?

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