On 2/15/2014 5:39 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/15/14, 5:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:41:52 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/lp99as6

Damn shame. That'll put some folks in a real sour mood. I reckon
those Southerners aren't so stupid
after all.

Perhaps the union organizer said it best:

"Unfortunately, politically motivated third parties threatened the
economic future of this facility
and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating
model that would grow jobs in
Tennessee," UAW Southern Region organizer Gary Casteel said."

Those damn politically motivated third parties. Of course, the UAW
Southern Region is in no way
politically motivated.

Right, FOAD?

It appears that they rejected the idea of a union that was in bed with
the company they were working for. That is the way unions are in most
of those foreign country union people like to cite.

It's a young "workforce."
They make more money than the GM, Ford or Chrysler workers.
As long as they are well-treated by management, they're ok.
That's how all the foreign brands keep the union out.
It works, and will continue to work until workers are mistreated.


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is
to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and
benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

Are you sure about that?

On 2/15/2014 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:39:12 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/15/14, 5:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

It's a young "workforce."
They make more money than the GM, Ford or Chrysler workers.
As long as they are well-treated by management, they're ok.
That's how all the foreign brands keep the union out.
It works, and will continue to work until workers are mistreated.


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is
to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and
benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

The thing that turns young people off when it comes to unions is the
whole "time in grade" thing. In a union you have to get in line behind
old lazy guys and wait for them to die to get their spot. Ambustion,
hard work and proficiency takes a back seat to seniority.



I remember my father-in-law (who worked for the USPS for 25 years)
referring to obituaries as the "promotion list".

On 2/15/2014 5:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:44:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

I read the other day that IBM is downsizing in an attempt to raise its
share price.

I am not even sure what IBM's new business model is going to be.
they don't seem to want to make anything or do anything that involves
employees.

They still have an excellent SiGe (silicon/germanium) IC process that is
wonderful for very high speed analog/digital ICs and made in Burlington,
VT. Unfortunately the wafer cost is higher than pure CMOS from TSMC
Taiwan and few are willing to pay a little more for the performance. I
loved designing on that process.

On 2/15/2014 8:40 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:37:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

They still have an excellent SiGe (silicon/germanium) IC process that is
wonderful for very high speed analog/digital ICs and made in Burlington,
VT. Unfortunately the wafer cost is higher than pure CMOS from TSMC
Taiwan and few are willing to pay a little more for the performance. I
loved designing on that process.

They have sold off the server business to Lenovo and I would not be
surprised if Burlington goes with a deal like that.

When I was there I thought that facility was strictly IC fab and process
engineering.

On 2/15/2014 10:44 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:29:43 -0800, thumper wrote:

When I was there I thought that facility was strictly IC fab and process
engineering.

... but if you are not making hardware anymore, who needs chips?


They had significant foundry business. I designed a handfull of
different chips on their process when I worked for Vitesse
Semiconductor. Many are still in production including their top volume
seller.

In article , says...

On 2/15/14, 5:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:41:52 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/lp99as6

Damn shame. That'll put some folks in a real sour mood. I reckon those Southerners aren't so stupid
after all.

Perhaps the union organizer said it best:

"Unfortunately, politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility
and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that would grow jobs in
Tennessee," UAW Southern Region organizer Gary Casteel said."

Those damn politically motivated third parties. Of course, the UAW Southern Region is in no way
politically motivated.

Right, FOAD?

It appears that they rejected the idea of a union that was in bed with
the company they were working for. That is the way unions are in most
of those foreign country union people like to cite.

It's a young "workforce."
They make more money than the GM, Ford or Chrysler workers.
As long as they are well-treated by management, they're ok.
That's how all the foreign brands keep the union out.
It works, and will continue to work until workers are mistreated.


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is
to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and
benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

Why is this a problem? Do you want to deny those whose beliefs are not the same as yours the
ability to push their beliefs to reach the goals?

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:39:12 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is

to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and

benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

Horse****. The ultimate goal is to allow individuals the right to choose - Pro Choice, so to speak. You're all in favor of that, right?

In article , says...

On 2/15/14, 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:26:00 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:41:52 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/lp99as6

Damn shame. That'll put some folks in a real sour mood. I reckon those Southerners aren't so stupid
after all.

Perhaps the union organizer said it best:

"Unfortunately, politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility
and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that would grow jobs in
Tennessee," UAW Southern Region organizer Gary Casteel said."

Those damn politically motivated third parties. Of course, the UAW Southern Region is in no way
politically motivated.

Right, FOAD?

It appears that they rejected the idea of a union that was in bed with
the company they were working for. That is the way unions are in most
of those foreign country union people like to cite.

It's a young "workforce."
They make more money than the GM, Ford or Chrysler workers.
As long as they are well-treated by management, they're ok.
That's how all the foreign brands keep the union out.
It works, and will continue to work until workers are mistreated.

IBM did the same thing.


I read the other day that IBM is downsizing in an attempt to raise its
share price.

Why is that a problem? Many union pension plans invest in corporations like IBM and others.

On 2/16/14, 9:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:39:12 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is

to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and

benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

Horse****. The ultimate goal is to allow individuals the right to choose - Pro Choice, so to speak. You're all in favor of that, right?




Hey, John, it's rec.boats, and those who post here have the choice to
buy into whatever right-wing delusions they wish.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:36:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/16/14, 9:32 AM, John H wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:39:12 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:


The ultimate goal of right-wing politicians in right to work states is

to break unions and the union movement so businesses can lower pay and

benefits to workers. It has nothing to do with the right to work.

Horse****. The ultimate goal is to allow individuals the right to choose - Pro Choice, so to speak. You're all in favor of that, right?




Hey, John, it's rec.boats, and those who post here have the choice to
buy into whatever right-wing delusions they wish.

You counter steered right around that obstacle, didn't you?