On 2/13/2014 12:16 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:20:32 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/13/2014 10:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC wrote:




https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch



nd the rear tire is tracking inside
the track of the front tire..

There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are too
sharp for
normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for
drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that mode..

All of 'em.



https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch


Please John, end the madness... Take a second and go to the link above
and post a quick link of the motorcycle you see in the first say, half
of the page where the front wheel is turned away from the radius and the
rear tire is tracking outside the front tire radius... or what you call
countersteering. You said all of 'em. Apparently you don't know what
countersteering really is....

I've already answered it. They got to where they are by countersteering. They are staying in the
turn because they are pushing on the handlebar corresponding to the direction of the turn. Push
left, go left. Push right, go right.

Here, now you look at something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwZ_DEFHrc


No question there... I had that save my ass on my CB500 Twin which
supposedly had a "Triumph" style front end. I hit a huge chunk of frozen
slush and it kicked my tire out so I got loose, and let the thing swing
back and fourth till it stood itself back up, I pulled over and cleaned
my pants out... literally...

I understand the technique completely, no issue there I have a high
level of what they call three dimensional comprehension... I actually
see the forces of water and gyros, etc in my head when I design, I used
to see how water would work around boat hulls when I drew them and where
the drag would be etc... Put it in the computer and it was right, used
to talk about it a lot with my engineer bud in Gloucester...

Anyway, to countersteering (which I believe in My only point is I
"can" initiate a turn without countersteering by meerely shifting my
weight before initiating the turn. At the same time I also understand
that in the emergency situation when you don't have time to set up, the
countersteer is the only way to start the turn... You see, I get it, but
still like the guy in your vid said... "The countersteer initiates the
turn, but the gyro effect immediately corrects it"... or you would
really be on the pavement... If you are countersteering through the
corner (over riding the natural "steering force" tendency to "correct"),
you are sliding the back tire sideways and scrubbing off speed....
Bear with him.

Here's another - well explained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlc1bGPTR3c