On 2/12/14, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 11:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:17 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 10:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Question for those using Thunderbird as a news reader.

If you delete a post, is there a way of getting it back?

They way mine is set, if I accidentally click on "delete", the post
disappears. It's not put in a trash folder (like e-mail). I've
clicked
on "Undo delete" in the Edit bar but that doesn't return the
post to
the viewer.

I know I can probably go hunt for it in a cache or something but was
wondering if there is a setting to put deleted newsgroup posts in
the
trash bin where it can be recovered.



Just drag and drop it from the trash, back to the in box. Or, right
click on the message in the trash list, and click "move to"... and
click
the folder you want.


There is no "trash" folder for the newsgroup account. Only for the
email account.

I can't find a way to create one either.

My problem is accidentally clicking on "delete". When it's gone, it's
gone.




Go to VIEW, THREADS, and click on ALL. That might bring them back if
you
haven't actually somehow deleted them from the server.



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".





If the post is really important, you can delete rec.boats from the news
server category under newsgroups, quit T'bird, start T'bird, reinstall
rec.boats and it should download about a zillion posts, all of them that
are downloadable from the news server. If you then sort by date you
should find the one you are looking for, with a bit of trouble.


It's rare a post is that important. :-) Like Hank said, I can always
go find it on my other laptop. The iMac is also set up with
Thunderbird but I rarely go on-line with it.

I was just curious if there was a means of deleting to a trash folder
like in email. Apparently there is not. Important posts that one would
like to save can be put in "archives". I just need to stop being so
trigger happy with the "delete" button.



Maybe you need a "double action" delete trigger.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.

On 2/12/2014 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 11:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:17 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 10:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Question for those using Thunderbird as a news reader.

If you delete a post, is there a way of getting it back?

They way mine is set, if I accidentally click on "delete", the post
disappears. It's not put in a trash folder (like e-mail). I've
clicked
on "Undo delete" in the Edit bar but that doesn't return the
post to
the viewer.

I know I can probably go hunt for it in a cache or something but was
wondering if there is a setting to put deleted newsgroup posts in
the
trash bin where it can be recovered.



Just drag and drop it from the trash, back to the in box. Or, right
click on the message in the trash list, and click "move to"... and
click
the folder you want.


There is no "trash" folder for the newsgroup account. Only for the
email account.

I can't find a way to create one either.

My problem is accidentally clicking on "delete". When it's gone, it's
gone.




Go to VIEW, THREADS, and click on ALL. That might bring them back if
you
haven't actually somehow deleted them from the server.



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".





If the post is really important, you can delete rec.boats from the news
server category under newsgroups, quit T'bird, start T'bird, reinstall
rec.boats and it should download about a zillion posts, all of them that
are downloadable from the news server. If you then sort by date you
should find the one you are looking for, with a bit of trouble.


It's rare a post is that important. :-) Like Hank said, I can always
go find it on my other laptop. The iMac is also set up with
Thunderbird but I rarely go on-line with it.

I was just curious if there was a means of deleting to a trash folder
like in email. Apparently there is not. Important posts that one would
like to save can be put in "archives". I just need to stop being so
trigger happy with the "delete" button.


Instead of deleteing, just mark the article or thread read. Next time
you open tbird you wont see it unless you display all.

On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.

On 2/13/2014 4:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made
John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based
forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole
culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada
(the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now.
I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a
few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.

Forgot to mention "Offliberty". Cool website that will copy audio from
a YouTube or the whole video. Does some other video sites as well.
Saves the audio as an mp3. All you do is paste the URL of the YouTube
into the field, wait for a few seconds while it processes the data and
right click "save as" for either just the audio or for the video plus
audio.

http://offliberty.com/

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:25:27 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:22:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)



I am OK with Agent for usenet but I am not really fond of it for E
mail. I do have 3 accounts running on it tho but they are very low
volume. (2 for HOA stuff and the one connected to my web site)
I guess I will try T Bird.

My email is MS Outlook, and I think it's grand. As long as the .pst file is transferred from one
computer to another, all works well.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:34:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:29:23 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)

You guys are convincing me to switch to Giganews. Is the change difficult with Agent?

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:34:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.


You might consider getting the online Sirius, just for listening. It runs $4 a month. My wife has a
lifetime, as you do, but she paid about $150. I don't think they offer a lifetime subscription any
more.

On 2/13/2014 8:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:29:23 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)

You guys are convincing me to switch to Giganews. Is the change difficult with Agent?



I don't use Agent so I don't know. I can't imagine it would be
difficult. Once you establish an account you will receive a user name
and password. Agent (like Thunderbird or any other reader) will need
it once in the settings to connect. That's about it.