On 2/13/2014 8:34 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:34:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.


You might consider getting the online Sirius, just for listening. It runs $4 a month. My wife has a
lifetime, as you do, but she paid about $150. I don't think they offer a lifetime subscription any
more.



The lifetime thing may have been $150 for me also. It was a long time
ago and I don't really remember.

I don't really listen to music much anymore as a general background
activity. Comcast has all the music channels that my wife has playing
often in the house. We have a distribution amplifier and ceiling
speakers in just about every room in the house. Drives me nuts
sometimes. I use Pandora occasionally but most of the time that I
listen to music it's for a specific reason, like trying to learn to play
the song or editing and mixing someone else's recordings.

One thing I remember about Sirius was that they played the same songs at
just about the same time everyday.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:54:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2014 8:34 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 04:34:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2014 12:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 1:13 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/12/14, 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:02:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I ... went to Thunderbird, mainly
because of you. :-)


I am thinking about trying T bird for my E mail client.

AOL is starting to get cranky with me because I still use AOL 7.0

They can't make me watch their ads on 7.
AOL 9.x looks like Yahoo with a screen full of crap I am not
interested in.



I like Thunderbird. I had used it years ago on other computers.
I've tried different versions of Agent but never liked them much.
Thunderbird works just fine for both email and newsgroups and made John
happy because it conforms to newsgroup protocol in terms of how it
handles signatures. :-)




Another comment regarding Usenet. I realize things change but it's
really regrettable that newsgroups became available via web based forums
like "Goggle Groups" and others. When that started the whole culture of
usenet began to change resulting in people like the clown in Canada (the
"other" Scott) having easy access to newsgroups. There were always
debates and disagreements but they had a different flavor than now. I'd
love to see web based access to newsgroups disappear. For those who
still want access, there are free newsgroup servers and free readers
(like Agent and Thunderbird) available. I happen to subscribe to
Giganews as a server for $4 a month and it's well worth it to get a few
chuckles here every other day.


I get Giganews via Earthlink, included in my internet. But I think I
have read where you can subscribe to Giganews for about $29 a year.


I don't know about $29 a year. My subscription used to be about $12
per month for some ungodly amount of downloads that I never came close
to using. I changed it to the cheapest subscription which is about $4 a
month. I did this a couple of months ago and remember reviewing all
the subscription options. I don't remember seeing one for $29 for a
year. Maybe it's an introductory plan to get new subscribers.

I'll say this for Giganews. I can't remember the last time it's server
was off-line.




I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)



I used to get tunes that way also but found a much easier and faster
way. I have Audacity installed in all three computers. Set the input
to "stereo high def mix" in preferences so the computer's mic is turned
off. Then, just find a quality YouTube video or .mp3 of a song you
want. Start record in Audacity, check levels, and record it. When
finished, do any noise removal, editing or enhancements you want and
export it as an .mp3.

I get a lot of backing tracks this way to practice guitar with. In
Audacity you can change the pitch the song is in without changing the
tempo and visa-versa, so it's possible to put the song in virtually any
key you like to play in.


You might consider getting the online Sirius, just for listening. It runs $4 a month. My wife has a
lifetime, as you do, but she paid about $150. I don't think they offer a lifetime subscription any
more.



The lifetime thing may have been $150 for me also. It was a long time
ago and I don't really remember.

I don't really listen to music much anymore as a general background
activity. Comcast has all the music channels that my wife has playing
often in the house. We have a distribution amplifier and ceiling
speakers in just about every room in the house. Drives me nuts
sometimes. I use Pandora occasionally but most of the time that I
listen to music it's for a specific reason, like trying to learn to play
the song or editing and mixing someone else's recordings.

One thing I remember about Sirius was that they played the same songs at
just about the same time everyday.

Never noticed that. But I don't listen to it much, and when traveling it's normally set to Bluegrass
Junction, which has some Bluegrass announcers and various groups being highlighted. Don't think I've
ever heard the same program twice.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:54:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One thing I remember about Sirius was that they played the same songs at
just about the same time everyday.

===

Yes they do. We had it on the big boat for awhile but got rid of it
mostly for that reason.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:29:47 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

I like Giganews and I have the $12 plan but I do binaries (not as much
as I used to).

They just don't seem to be making much old music anymore and I have
all they made ;-) (27 gig or so)

You guys are convincing me to switch to Giganews. Is the change difficult with Agent?

===

It's very easy. Just go to: Tools/Servers and Accounts

Everything is right there.

On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:17 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 10:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Question for those using Thunderbird as a news reader.

If you delete a post, is there a way of getting it back?

They way mine is set, if I accidentally click on "delete", the post
disappears. It's not put in a trash folder (like e-mail). I've
clicked
on "Undo delete" in the Edit bar but that doesn't return the post to
the viewer.

I know I can probably go hunt for it in a cache or something but was
wondering if there is a setting to put deleted newsgroup posts in the
trash bin where it can be recovered.



Just drag and drop it from the trash, back to the in box. Or, right
click on the message in the trash list, and click "move to"... and
click
the folder you want.


There is no "trash" folder for the newsgroup account. Only for the
email account.

I can't find a way to create one either.

My problem is accidentally clicking on "delete". When it's gone, it's
gone.




Go to VIEW, THREADS, and click on ALL. That might bring them back if you
haven't actually somehow deleted them from the server.



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".

Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.

On 2/13/2014 10:53 PM, thumper wrote:

On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".



Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.



Hmmm. You are using the same version of Thunderbird (24.3.0) that I am
using. I don't get a prompt to confirm a delete or warning of no trash
folder.

Someone else mentioned the prompt to confirm delete as well. I must
have missed it somewhere in the setup. I'll go look some more.

Thanks

thumper wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:17 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 10:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Question for those using Thunderbird as a news reader.

If you delete a post, is there a way of getting it back?

They way mine is set, if I accidentally click on "delete", the post
disappears. It's not put in a trash folder (like e-mail). I've
clicked
on "Undo delete" in the Edit bar but that doesn't return the post to
the viewer.

I know I can probably go hunt for it in a cache or something but was
wondering if there is a setting to put deleted newsgroup posts in the
trash bin where it can be recovered.



Just drag and drop it from the trash, back to the in box. Or, right
click on the message in the trash list, and click "move to"... and
click
the folder you want.


There is no "trash" folder for the newsgroup account. Only for the
email account.

I can't find a way to create one either.

My problem is accidentally clicking on "delete". When it's gone, it's
gone.




Go to VIEW, THREADS, and click on ALL. That might bring them back if you
haven't actually somehow deleted them from the server.



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".

Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.

Because he does not want to fill up the disk with trash.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:53 PM, thumper wrote:

On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".



Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.



Hmmm. You are using the same version of Thunderbird (24.3.0) that I am
using. I don't get a prompt to confirm a delete or warning of no trash folder.

Someone else mentioned the prompt to confirm delete as well. I must
have missed it somewhere in the setup. I'll go look some more.

Thanks

You can click on the message to not be bothered by the question again.
Maybe you clicked that.

On 2/13/2014 11:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:53 PM, thumper wrote:

On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".



Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.



Hmmm. You are using the same version of Thunderbird (24.3.0) that I am
using. I don't get a prompt to confirm a delete or warning of no trash folder.

Someone else mentioned the prompt to confirm delete as well. I must
have missed it somewhere in the setup. I'll go look some more.

Thanks

You can click on the message to not be bothered by the question again.
Maybe you clicked that.


I could have. Probably did. Don't remember. I wonder if there's a way
to change my mind. Not a big deal. I am getting out of the habit of
hovering the cursor over the "delete" button. That will help.

On 2/13/2014 11:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
thumper wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:17 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/12/14, 10:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:35 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Question for those using Thunderbird as a news reader.

If you delete a post, is there a way of getting it back?

They way mine is set, if I accidentally click on "delete", the post
disappears. It's not put in a trash folder (like e-mail). I've
clicked
on "Undo delete" in the Edit bar but that doesn't return the post to
the viewer.

I know I can probably go hunt for it in a cache or something but was
wondering if there is a setting to put deleted newsgroup posts in the
trash bin where it can be recovered.



Just drag and drop it from the trash, back to the in box. Or, right
click on the message in the trash list, and click "move to"... and
click
the folder you want.


There is no "trash" folder for the newsgroup account. Only for the
email account.

I can't find a way to create one either.

My problem is accidentally clicking on "delete". When it's gone, it's
gone.




Go to VIEW, THREADS, and click on ALL. That might bring them back if you
haven't actually somehow deleted them from the server.



Doesn't seem to work. I tried right clicking on "r.boats" in the news
account and then on "Search messages" with both the subfolder and
server boxes checked. I entered the name of a thread in the subject
line. Nothing is returned. Looks like if you "delete" it really
means *delete*. I know you can click on "archive" and save the post.
My problem is I sometimes get a little over zealous in clicking on the
"delete".

Why delete? I just mark them read.

Mine prompts to confirm delete and warns that there is no trash folder.

Because he does not want to fill up the disk with trash.


I don't think deleted messages from a newsgroup go into any kind of
"trash" folder, mainly because there isn't one and no apparent way to
create on. You can have a trash folder in the email and "Local
Folders" accounts, but not in the newsgroup account. I suspect they go
into a "temp" file somewhere that has some maximum space before they are
deleted, last in, last out.