On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

On 2/11/14, 11:56 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:53 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the
privilege.


I really got a kick out of the guys on the other end of the phone
reading to me from Microsoft's Knowledge Base pages. That happened with
Microsoft and it happened with HP, too.

Group I worked with did not have a script.

On 2/11/14, 3:03 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:36 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 3:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing
me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor
glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while
hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with
Apple's
OS. Right?



And you pay for Apple Care.

So?

You seem to imply it is supplied thru altruism by Apple. Just because
you bought an Apple product.

No, I never said or implied that. I do believe you get one year of
AppleCare with a new computer, and if you want more lengthy coverage,
you can buy two more years for about $75 a year. I always buy the
additional coverage.

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her house.

On 2/11/14, 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.


Well, then, maybe you should order one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/p3talyj

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/2014 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

I like that.. Spinning Beach Ball of Death!

On 2/11/14, 4:01 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/11/2014 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix
means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the
previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how
Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

I like that.. Spinning Beach Ball of Death!


Actually, it isn't quite the same as the renowned Blue Screen of Death.
The few times I have seen the beachball, I've been able to recover
without rebooting or shutting down my computers. If memory serves, the
BSODs always required a shutdown. Well, that's what I remember about them.

http://tinyurl.com/phm88n5



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/14, 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:07:28 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.

You must have just been your same charming self you are here and they
****ed you.



I'm quite charming. Rec.boats gets the version of me it deserves, though
I admit it's difficult keeping up in nastiness with the right-wing
snarkasses here. I think I have four or five right-wing snarkasses in my
bozo bin, along with our terminally stupid Canadian "Scotty" friend, who
may or may not be a right-winger, but definitely is a snarkass.



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/14, 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:53:09 -0800, Bill McKee
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the privilege.

When I was still working, the best source of information was the old
VM Forums.
I never had a reason to talk to Microsoft about anything.


How wonderful, eh? So therefore you are an expert on Microsoft tech
support! I get it.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.

You think you didn't pay for the stereo in your car?

Hee, hee!