On 2/11/2014 11:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.





Maybe it's tool late to consider the purchase of a snow thrower. ;-)

Make sure the new place has a couple of level pads with full hookups.

Only 6 more weeks of winter. yay.

On 2/11/2014 11:20 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:12:15 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:







You love playing with new toys. Admit it.



Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.



We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.

It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according

to the weather people.



It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than

one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow

storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold

so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having

a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the

tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.



We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he

can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.

We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's

magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the

northeast.


Wear that storm down as much as you can... it is scheduled to arrive here mid day or later on Thursday.

If you don't like snow why are you in Canada? Most Canadians are down in
florida right now.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:12:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.


We're supposed to get 4-8", so maybe you won't get as much.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.

Funny man!
If "most Canadians" were down there, we run off y'all rednecks and keep the place as our own.

On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.


--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/14, 12:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.



Well, *that* covers everything, eh?

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/2014 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.




I just finished a minimal site developed with a "canned site"... Not all
it's cracked up to be really. A collection of scripts that lead to empty
boxes and tags that you have to move from page to page and
div class= tags everywhere.... I took a lot of time because I put
scripts inside of scripts and had to still have everything line up.

Spent two weeks, 12+ hours a day because of the learning curve with the
different scripts that came in the package, but at the same time now I
know how to write flash movies, and such... etc...

On 2/11/2014 1:07 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.


How did you get stuck beta testing?

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:13:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 12:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.



Well, *that* covers everything, eh?

Yup. Problem solved.