On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
HanK wrote:
On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote:
Krausebag wrote:
In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.

But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag?

One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding.

One BK every 7 years.

You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around.

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 15:44:56 -0500, HanK wrote:

On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
HanK wrote:
On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote:
Krausebag wrote:
In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.

But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag?

One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding.

One BK every 7 years.

You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around.

I took two of the light fixtures out of the trailer and replaced them with LED spotlight style
fixtures. Now I can't find the old fixtures. Next time I go to the trailer I'll take a picture of
what I've got. I think they're the oval style with the halogen bulbs, but not sure.

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 15:44:56 -0500, HanK wrote:

On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
HanK wrote:
On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote:
Krausebag wrote:
In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.

But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag?

One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding.

One BK every 7 years.

You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around.

Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure.

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:56:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.



http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3



In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.



Maybe they ought to bus them to Georgia.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...havoc/5405899/

"In Georgia, Gov. Nathan Deal said the National Guard opened 65 emergency shelters, and seven more were open at state parks along Interstate 20."

I wonder if they'll give away free blankets there?

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.


I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a “crime” and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."


I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.


--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.


I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

Write a letter to the President of the Council:

http://www.cityofpensacola.com/510/Jewel-Cannada-Wynn

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.


I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a “crime� and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."


I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.

They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.




They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest
is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection:

http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html

Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free
enterprise system?

On 2/10/14, 6:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.




They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest
is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection:

http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html

Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free
enterprise system?


I have an old high school chum living in a southern state where it
doesn't usually get that cold who sent me an email a week or so ago in
which he noted that a couple of homeless Vietnam vets had died of
exposure in his area, and that the news story about it had mentioned
that the several shelters in the area were "full up" and might not have
any vacancies for months.

I don't know that that is the case in Pensacola or whether there are
other factors that might keep people out of local shelters. Many
homeless people have issue with shelters, and some of those issues are
real and some are the result of the mental illnesses some homeless
people have.

The point is the world is not as binary as you righties think it is.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:35:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/10/14, 6:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.




They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest
is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection:

http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html

Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free
enterprise system?


I have an old high school chum living in a southern state where it
doesn't usually get that cold who sent me an email a week or so ago in
which he noted that a couple of homeless Vietnam vets had died of
exposure in his area, and that the news story about it had mentioned
that the several shelters in the area were "full up" and might not have
any vacancies for months.

What does that have to do with Pensacola and your ****ty comment to Greg, "So, your solution is to
just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure?"

I don't know that that is the case in Pensacola or whether there are
other factors that might keep people out of local shelters. Many
homeless people have issue with shelters, and some of those issues are
real and some are the result of the mental illnesses some homeless
people have.

The point is the world is not as binary as you righties think it is.

The point is that you put people down with absolutely no reason. Now you expand your 'put down' to
include all righties.

Just remember, Harry, every friggin' decision you've ever made in your happiness filled life was the
result of binary thinking. And, you're not even a 'rightie'.