On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based, accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.

On 2/11/2014 8:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and
professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work
and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless
folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required
to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense.
It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide
kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child
psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats.
You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce
that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food,
clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill
up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident
almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping
on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to
which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.



I can help. Rather than post links, just google "homeless refuse
shelter". I got over 4 million pertinent responses, many with articles
based upon studies. There are many, many reasons but drugs, alcohol
addiction and/or the fear of living in an environment rich with these
issues are major concerns.

On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based, accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.


What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?

I've read about studies that indicate a significant number of the
homeless are military vets who came home from Vietnam or Iraq or
Afghanistan with serious emotional problems. It's been a while since
I've read such an article, but I know that part of the problem was the
failure of the military or the VA to recognize and treat some of these
disorders, and the guys suffering from them just disintegrated mentally
and emotionally.

Do you fellows have such a lack of compassion that you have to cast
further aspersions on these sufferers and the many others in this
country who find themselves without a home, without a hope, and too
mentally ill to take advantage of what little bits of help that might be
available?



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:16:25 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based, accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.


What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?

I've read about studies that indicate a significant number of the
homeless are military vets who came home from Vietnam or Iraq or
Afghanistan with serious emotional problems. It's been a while since
I've read such an article, but I know that part of the problem was the
failure of the military or the VA to recognize and treat some of these
disorders, and the guys suffering from them just disintegrated mentally
and emotionally.

Do you fellows have such a lack of compassion that you have to cast
further aspersions on these sufferers and the many others in this
country who find themselves without a home, without a hope, and too
mentally ill to take advantage of what little bits of help that might be
available?

Who cast aspersions on the homeless?

You keep making up things. Today it's 'aspersions on the homeless', yesterday it was 'racism against
black kids' and 'taking away blankets', and my 'hatred of gays'.

Why do you do that?

On 2/11/2014 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and
professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work
and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your
years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless
folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is
required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common
sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide
kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child
psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does
not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats.
You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce
that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food,
clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to
fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident
almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any
such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a
wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report
for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't
camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer
to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based,
accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on
the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.




What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?


I was asking *you*.

On 2/11/14, 9:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:16:25 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats. You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food, clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based, accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.


What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?

I've read about studies that indicate a significant number of the
homeless are military vets who came home from Vietnam or Iraq or
Afghanistan with serious emotional problems. It's been a while since
I've read such an article, but I know that part of the problem was the
failure of the military or the VA to recognize and treat some of these
disorders, and the guys suffering from them just disintegrated mentally
and emotionally.

Do you fellows have such a lack of compassion that you have to cast
further aspersions on these sufferers and the many others in this
country who find themselves without a home, without a hope, and too
mentally ill to take advantage of what little bits of help that might be
available?

Who cast aspersions on the homeless?

You keep making up things. Today it's 'aspersions on the homeless', yesterday it was 'racism against
black kids' and 'taking away blankets', and my 'hatred of gays'.

Why do you do that?



Perhaps it is because you have such disdain for the homeless, blacks,
latinos, gays, women, et cetera.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On 2/11/14, 9:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and
professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work
and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your
years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless
folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is
required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common
sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide
kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child
psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does
not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats.
You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce
that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food,
clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to
fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident
almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical, right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any
such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a
wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report
for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't
camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer
to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant
amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based,
accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on
the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.




What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?


I was asking *you*.



I answered your question. I said it was too much of a supposition for me
to answer, since I had no legitimate research on which to base an answer.

But here's something to ponder...is it moral to take a blanket away from
a homeless person living outdoors in the cold? That's a lot easier question.

On 2/11/2014 10:00 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:06 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:50:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:43:21 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:04:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2014 5:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I had *no* idea you righties were university and
professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work
and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your
years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless
folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.


There you go again assuming that a specific degree is
required to make
fundamental conclusions based on experience and common
sense. It's
amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide
kids for
18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child
psychology.


Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless.


Helping the homeless has a prerequisite that raising kids does
not.
The homeless are required to *want* help.

Play an imaginary game. Assume you have a bus with 50 seats.
You drive
to an area know to be populated with homeless men and announce
that you
will transport them to a shelter where they will receive food,
clothing,
job training and employment assistance to acquire a job.

How many men do you think you would have to ask in order to
fill up the bus?

~~crickets~~

I had a feeling this would go unanswered by our resident
almost-psychotherapist's assistant.


Too hypothetical for an answer. You understand hypothetical,
right?

Hee-hee!



Since I haven't designed and run a study that would investigate the
question properly and scientifically, and since I haven't read any
such
studies, any answer I might give would be nothing more than a
wild-assed
guess.

It's an interesting posit, though. Isn't that sort of how you
entered
the military...you were promised food, clothing, training, and a
paycheck? Why, I'll bet almost everyone who received that "Report
for a
Physical" letter got on the bus, right?

But, hey, go ahead and cackle.

Not quite. I had a nice, fun job when I got my letter. Wasn't
camping on the streets.

Don't you just hate it when someone asks you a question, the answer
to which you can't provide
without blowing your argument right in the ass or looking like a
fool?

That seems to happen a lot to both of you.


The answer is that there is no answer without doing a significant
amount
of research, which is exactly what I said when I stated the query was
too hypothetical.

Do you really think Luddite was looking for a scientifically-based,
accurate answer? I think he used
'imaginary' and 'do you think' in his query.

Sure there's an answer. I'd think probably less than 10 would get on
the bus. Maybe only one or two,
those who could overcome the peer pressure.




What's the point of asking a question like that if all you are going to
get is uninformed guesses, mostly from people who have an obviously
dislike for the homeless, no matter how the homeless got into the
situation they find themselves?


I was asking *you*.



I answered your question. I said it was too much of a supposition for me
to answer, since I had no legitimate research on which to base an answer.

But here's something to ponder...is it moral to take a blanket away from
a homeless person living outdoors in the cold? That's a lot easier
question.


I've read the Pensacola ordnance. I've read opponents' views and
supporter's views.

The issue of taking away blankets from the homeless is an emotion
charged claim by some taken entirely out of context with the ordnance.
The ordnance prohibits *camping* in certain public areas, which to me
is a perfectly legitimate and moral thing to do. It's the liberal press
and liberal progressives who have interpreted that to mean that
Pensacola's mayor is "taking blankets away" from the homeless.