On 2/10/2014 6:39 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.


I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to
experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a “crime� and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."


I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.

They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

Here's an opportunity for you to be of service to your community.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.



http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3



In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.



I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your

house.





I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the

anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent

homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.



From the article:



"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded

Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from

homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize

unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that

sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we

experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these

ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.



Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.

One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery

in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to

living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,

working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in

his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining

that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best

as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated

that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.

Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her

children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for

any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by

several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone

commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans'

service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.



The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting

the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to

sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced

to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover

themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,

that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally

hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.



It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the

ordinances."





I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a

hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.



They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.

I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run

them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on

beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they

have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money

live.





So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they

can die of exposure?

So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf!

On 2/10/14, 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.



http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3



In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.



I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your

house.





I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the

anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent

homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.



From the article:



"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded

Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from

homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize

unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that

sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we

experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these

ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.



Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.

One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery

in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to

living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,

working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in

his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining

that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best

as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated

that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.

Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her

children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for

any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by

several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone

commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans'

service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.



The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting

the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to

sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced

to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover

themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,

that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally

hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.



It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the

ordinances."





I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a

hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.



They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.

I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run

them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on

beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they

have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money

live.





So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they

can die of exposure?

So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf!


Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I
mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take
their blankets away?

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:45:41 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I

mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take

their blankets away?


Harry, that type of blabber makes absolutely no sense, but nice bait anyhow..

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:45:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:





Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I

mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take

their blankets away?


Uh, Harry, where does it say anything about taking blankets away. Or did you just make that up? The law prohibits camping, with or without a tent. Says nothing about 'taking blankets away' as you say.

In article ,
says...

On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.



http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3



In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm

under a blanket.



I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your

house.





I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the

anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent

homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.



From the article:



"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded

Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from

homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize

unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that

sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we

experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these

ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.



Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.

One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery

in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to

living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,

working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in

his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining

that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best

as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated

that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.

Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her

children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for

any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by

several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone

commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans'

service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.



The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting

the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to

sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced

to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover

themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,

that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally

hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.



It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the

ordinances."





I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a

hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.



They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.

I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run

them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on

beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they

have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money

live.





So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they

can die of exposure?

So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf!

That would require Harry to dip into his own pocket to fund the endeavor rather than stick
his hands into others pockets to fund the endeavor.

On 2/10/14, 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.


I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a “crime� and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."


I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.

They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.


So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for
you.

Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get
drunk/stoned)


I'm not arguing against shelters. I am arguing against taking a blanket
away from a homeless person.

Whether there are shelter vacancies, whether the shelters are safer than
the streets (some aren't), where the homeless people are psychotic, and
so forth and so on, are entirely different questions and issues.

Would you take a tray of school cafeteria food away from a hungry child
whose parents haven't paid for the meal for one reason or another?

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for

you.



Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get

drunk/stoned)

Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ

On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for

you.



Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get

drunk/stoned)

Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ

It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful
employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked
out of the Army.



I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:06:26 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for

you.



Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get

drunk/stoned)

Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ

It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful
employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked
out of the Army.



I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained
case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate
knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of
working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks.
Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit.

You seem to think you have all those qualifications, Harry, along with mind-reading and
pre-cognition.

Again, who said anything about taking the blankets away.