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I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.

I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a “crime” and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."

I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.

I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

Write a letter to the President of the Council:

http://www.cityofpensacola.com/510/Jewel-Cannada-Wynn

I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:18:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around.

Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure.

===

Yes, and my former employer was giving him $500K/month in walking
around money so he could maintain appearances while he was figuring
out how to pay off the millions he owed.

I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On 2/9/14, 8:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:18:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around.

Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure.

===

Yes, and my former employer was giving him $500K/month in walking
around money so he could maintain appearances while he was figuring
out how to pay off the millions he owed.

your employer could not foreclose. would have had to write off the
whole loan at that time. would probably be under capitolized.

I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.

I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the
anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent
homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house.

From the article:

"One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded
Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from
homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize
unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that
sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we
experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these
ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it.

Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless.
One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery
in a yearâ€™s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to
living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation,
working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in
his car and told the Council, heâ€™s doing the best he can, explaining
that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best
as he can. He noted that itâ€™s hard when you live in a car and reiterated
that heâ€™s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one.
Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her
children and having to live in their car because she didnâ€™t qualify for
any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by
several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone
commented that by criminalizing them, the Councilâ€™s praise for veteransâ€™
service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical.

The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting
the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to
sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced
to decide whether to commit a â€œcrimeâ€ and be arrested or to cover
themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council,
that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally
hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible.

It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the
ordinances."

I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a
hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless.

They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.

So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

--
Thereâ€™s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

I know every state has its offenses against humanity...

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.

http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3

In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm
under a blanket.

I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your
house.

They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums.
I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run
them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on
beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they
have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money
live.

So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they
can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise
system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the
remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh?

Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest
is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection:

http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html

Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free
enterprise system?