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....but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form.
http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:56:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. In Evansville Indiana it's illegal to spit on the sidewalk. |
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On 2/9/14, 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:56:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. In Evansville Indiana it's illegal to spit on the sidewalk. I'll keep that in mind if ever I find myself in Evansville, Indiana. Hopefully, though, I won't find myself in either Evansville or Indiana, although it is okay to fly over if you have to on the way to Chicago. :) -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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Harry, did you know that in your state of Maryland, it's It's illegal to take a lion to the movies?
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On 2/9/14, 9:30 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry, did you know that in your state of Maryland, it's It's illegal to take a lion to the movies? Oh, noooooooooo! -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:38:04 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 9:30 AM, Tim wrote: Harry, did you know that in your state of Maryland, it's It's illegal to take a lion to the movies? Oh, noooooooooo! -- Actually that only applies to the city of Baltimore. Don't know about the rest of the state, though. |
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Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:38:04 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/9/14, 9:30 AM, Tim wrote: Harry, did you know that in your state of Maryland, it's It's illegal to take a lion to the movies? Oh, noooooooooo! -- Actually that only applies to the city of Baltimore. Don't know about the rest of the state, though. http://www.stupidlaws.com/laws/united-states/maryland/ |
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Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:56:31 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. In Evansville Indiana it's illegal to spit on the sidewalk. In Idaho it is illegal to fish from a camel. |
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Krausebag wrote:
In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag? |
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On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
HanK wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote: Krausebag wrote: In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag? One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding. One BK every 7 years. You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around. |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 15:44:56 -0500, HanK wrote:
On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote: HanK wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote: Krausebag wrote: In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag? One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding. One BK every 7 years. You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around. I took two of the light fixtures out of the trailer and replaced them with LED spotlight style fixtures. Now I can't find the old fixtures. Next time I go to the trailer I'll take a picture of what I've got. I think they're the oval style with the halogen bulbs, but not sure. |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. Write a letter to the President of the Council: http://www.cityofpensacola.com/510/Jewel-Cannada-Wynn |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 15:44:56 -0500, HanK wrote:
On 2/9/2014 3:05 PM, Califbill wrote: HanK wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:11 PM, wrote: Krausebag wrote: In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. But in Florida, it's not illegal to take bankruptcy twice, eh Krausebag? One bankruptcy per customer is my understanding. One BK every 7 years. You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around. Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure. |
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On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:18:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around. Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure. === Yes, and my former employer was giving him $500K/month in walking around money so he could maintain appearances while he was figuring out how to pay off the millions he owed. |
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On 2/9/14, 8:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:18:56 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: You'd think they wouldn't allow deadbeats a second go around. Agreed... but then they gave Trump a TV show! Go figure. === Yes, and my former employer was giving him $500K/month in walking around money so he could maintain appearances while he was figuring out how to pay off the millions he owed. your employer could not foreclose. would have had to write off the whole loan at that time. would probably be under capitolized. |
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On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’ service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a “crime” and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection: http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free enterprise system? |
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On 2/10/2014 6:39 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’ service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a “crime” and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? Here's an opportunity for you to be of service to your community. |
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On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans' service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf! |
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On 2/10/14, 6:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection: http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free enterprise system? I have an old high school chum living in a southern state where it doesn't usually get that cold who sent me an email a week or so ago in which he noted that a couple of homeless Vietnam vets had died of exposure in his area, and that the news story about it had mentioned that the several shelters in the area were "full up" and might not have any vacancies for months. I don't know that that is the case in Pensacola or whether there are other factors that might keep people out of local shelters. Many homeless people have issue with shelters, and some of those issues are real and some are the result of the mental illnesses some homeless people have. The point is the world is not as binary as you righties think it is. -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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On 2/10/14, 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans' service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf! Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take their blankets away? -- There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol. |
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In article ,
says... On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:39:43 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year's time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he's doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it's hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he's not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn't qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council's praise for veterans' service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a "crime" and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? So what's your solution, Harry? Why don't you invite them to your place? That'd be a great humanitarian deed on your behalf! That would require Harry to dip into his own pocket to fund the endeavor rather than stick his hands into others pockets to fund the endeavor. |
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:35:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/10/14, 6:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? Or perhaps they could go to a homeless shelter? You know, rather than die of exposure as you suggest is Greg's solution? It appears Pensacola does have quite a selection: http://www.shelterlistings.org/city/pensacola-fl.html Eh? And I didn't even have to put anyone down. What system would you have to replace the free enterprise system? I have an old high school chum living in a southern state where it doesn't usually get that cold who sent me an email a week or so ago in which he noted that a couple of homeless Vietnam vets had died of exposure in his area, and that the news story about it had mentioned that the several shelters in the area were "full up" and might not have any vacancies for months. What does that have to do with Pensacola and your ****ty comment to Greg, "So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure?" I don't know that that is the case in Pensacola or whether there are other factors that might keep people out of local shelters. Many homeless people have issue with shelters, and some of those issues are real and some are the result of the mental illnesses some homeless people have. The point is the world is not as binary as you righties think it is. The point is that you put people down with absolutely no reason. Now you expand your 'put down' to include all righties. Just remember, Harry, every friggin' decision you've ever made in your happiness filled life was the result of binary thinking. And, you're not even a 'rightie'. |
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On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:45:41 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take their blankets away? Harry, that type of blabber makes absolutely no sense, but nice bait anyhow.. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/14, 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:39:43 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:44 PM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:42:06 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/9/14, 11:16 AM, wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: ...but Florida and Texas seem to have developed them into an art form. http://tinyurl.com/kjg5jq3 In Pensacola, it is illegal for a homeless person to try to stay warm under a blanket. I doubt you would put up with a bunch of bums living next to your house. I think the actions of the Pensacola city council in terms of the anti-homeless ordinances they passed go far beyond trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping under a blanket next to someone's house. From the article: "One man, formerly homeless, described his circumstances and reminded Coucil members that most of us are just one paycheck away from homelessness, and that oftentimes we cannot understand or empathize unless we have personally experienced something. He continued, that sometimes God will humble us, and put us in a situation where we experience such things, seeming to suggest that if they voted for these ordinances, that perhaps (one day) God may just allow them to experience it. Other homeless people also spoke, explaining how they became homeless. One woman explained that she had four back surgeries and a neck surgery in a year’s time, and therefore could not work and had to resort to living out of her car. Another young man, 22, described his situation, working long hours, but not making enough to afford a home. He lives in his car and told the Council, he’s doing the best he can, explaining that he works hard and he has to clean up and look presentable as best as he can. He noted that it’s hard when you live in a car and reiterated that he’s not a criminal and asked the Council not to make him one. Another woman described fleeing an abusive relationship, taking her children and having to live in their car because she didn’t qualify for any sort of aid or financial assistance. The point was also made by several people that 1/3 of the homeless are veterans, and someone commented that by criminalizing them, the Council’s praise for veterans’ service earlier in the evening seemed hypocritical. The point was also raised that, according to one ordinance (prohibiting the use of blankets, sleeping bags, newspaper, tents or cardboard to sleep with), during the cold winter nights, the homeless will be forced to decide whether to commit a “crime” and be arrested or to cover themselves or their children for warmth. Mike Kimberl told the Council, that when people start dying by freezing to death, he will personally hold every Council member that voted for the ordinance(s) responsible. It was an emotional night,but in the end the Council approved the ordinances." I wonder what the city fathers of that place will do the next time a hurricane makes a few hundred residents homeless. They just don't want their town to be a place overrun with bums. I guarantee you, if it was happening in North Beach, they would run them off citing this law (You may not camp or sleep overnight on beach, pier, boardwalk, park, parking lot, etc.) and I am sure they have that same basic law virtually everywhere that people with money live. So, your solution is to just leave them out there blanketless, so they can die of exposure? I suppose that fits in with the free enterprise system...with privatized body collection services who pick up the remains and bill the city $1000 for disposal, eh? I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) I'm not arguing against shelters. I am arguing against taking a blanket away from a homeless person. Whether there are shelter vacancies, whether the shelters are safer than the streets (some aren't), where the homeless people are psychotic, and so forth and so on, are entirely different questions and issues. Would you take a tray of school cafeteria food away from a hungry child whose parents haven't paid for the meal for one reason or another? -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:45:41 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 7:19 AM, Tim wrote: Isn't it just much easier to let them die of exposure, right, Tim. I mean, isn't that the *Christian* thing to do with the homeless...take their blankets away? Uh, Harry, where does it say anything about taking blankets away. Or did you just make that up? The law prohibits camping, with or without a tent. Says nothing about 'taking blankets away' as you say. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:06:26 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. You seem to think you have all those qualifications, Harry, along with mind-reading and pre-cognition. Again, who said anything about taking the blankets away. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/2014 5:06 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for 18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:06:26 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. Harry, are you a"university and professionally trained case worker with at least a bachelors degree in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks?" If so, perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/14, 5:29 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:06:26 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. Harry, are you a"university and professionally trained case worker with at least a bachelors degree in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks?" If so, perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. I live with a university and professionally trained social worker with a Ph.D who has worked with thousands of people in her 25-year career, including many homeless people, in venues such as large state forensic mental hospitals, county day treatment facilities, private hospital residential facilities, private psychiatric hospitals, the labor movement, and in private practice, and who gives lectures and presentations on various subjects related to the human condition. We talk a lot, and I suspect I have met and talked to more urban homeless people than Gregg, you, or our resident gay basher. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/14, 5:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 5:06 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for 18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology. Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:37:31 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 5:29 PM, Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:06:26 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. Harry, are you a"university and professionally trained case worker with at least a bachelors degree in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks?" If so, perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. I live with a university and professionally trained social worker with a Ph.D who has worked with thousands of people in her 25-year career, including many homeless people, in venues such as large state forensic mental hospitals, county day treatment facilities, private hospital residential facilities, private psychiatric hospitals, the labor movement, and in private practice, and who gives lectures and presentations on various subjects related to the human condition. But, we're not talking about 'her'. We talk a lot, and I suspect I have met and talked to more urban homeless people than Gregg, you, or our resident gay basher. I very seriously doubt that, that is unless you spend at least a couple weeks a year for the past 7 years working in soup kitchens in Peoria and St. Louis.- or similar places. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On 2/10/14, 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:06:26 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. Perhaps I should. I would bet I have known more bums than you have and the only ones you wife sees are the ones who want help or get there by court order. I bet they walk away from treatment pretty quickly. Has she ever actually cured one? (call it 5 years productive and sober just to make it a valid number) How long would a homeless camp last next to your house? Hours? Minutes? I have already pointed out your beach towns have far stricter (perhaps unconstitutional) laws against the homeless. I assume you are down there protesting. You're a funny guy. :) -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:38:32 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/10/14, 5:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:06 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/10/14, 4:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:24:55 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:12:05 AM UTC-6, wrote: I suppose the idea of moving them to a shelter is just too humane for you. Of course they would lose their "freedom" (freedom to get drunk/stoned) Or their 'freedom' in general. You can't tell me that many[if not most] of the 'shelterless' don't have this attitude- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLLQAAr8zQ It is usually their quest for "freedom" that keeps them from gainful employment, keeps them from going to shelters and what got them kicked out of the Army. I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. There you go again assuming that a specific degree is required to make fundamental conclusions based on experience and common sense. It's amazing that so many parents can successfully raise and guide kids for 18 years without benefit of some advanced degree in child psychology. Raising a few rug rats doesn't equate helping the homeless. There you go, that explains it. Most of us raised our children. Equating yours with 'rug rats' doesn't sound worthy of someone knowledgeable in all this psychology. When did you get your experience with hundreds, even thousands, of homeless folks. Because, if you have the knowledge and experience to say someone here is wrong, then you must have the experience from somewhere, eh? Or did we miss the point again? |
I know every state has its offenses against humanity...
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:37:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/10/14, 5:29 PM, Tim wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:06:26 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote: I had *no* idea you righties were university and professionally trained case workers with at least bachelors degrees in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks. Perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. Harry, are you a"university and professionally trained case worker with at least a bachelors degree in social work and intimate knowledge of the plight of the homeless gained from your years of working directly with hundreds or even thousands of homeless folks?" If so, perhaps you should get on the lecture circuit. I live with a university and professionally trained social worker with a Ph.D who has worked with thousands of people in her 25-year career, including many homeless people, in venues such as large state forensic mental hospitals, county day treatment facilities, private hospital residential facilities, private psychiatric hospitals, the labor movement, and in private practice, and who gives lectures and presentations on various subjects related to the human condition. We talk a lot, and I suspect I have met and talked to more urban homeless people than Gregg, you, or our resident gay basher. What 'bashing' of gays have I done? I've bashed headlines, news reports, and some 'inspirational' statements, but I don't recall saying anything bad about gays themselves. Do you? Could you show me? Or, as usual, are you making up more ****? |
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