On 2/7/2014 12:19 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:59:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/7/14, 10:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:46:00 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Yeah, what we have created in this country is a growth industry for the

privatization of penal institutions. The corporations pressure the

legislators to pass more laws and stiffer sentences so more people can

be imprisoned for longer periods of time and so the private slams will

be guaranteed more income. It's a wonderful system and requires a lot

less brainpower than something that might actually work.



What would you do to handle the drug problem?



I don't claim to have *the* solution, but I do know that creating a
growth industry in prisons for the private sector ain't it. I think
decriminalizing simple possession for personal use would be a good
starting point, though.

I suppose that's for all the drugs up through heroin? I suppose you
disagree with the idea of
marijuana being a stepping stone to the 'better' stuff. So where would you draw the line?

Heroin is actually not a really bad 'hard' drug. Lots of heroin addicts
were functioning members of society. Lots turned to crime because of the
costs to procure, but heroin may kill you in the end because of paranoia.
Ray Charles was a heroin addict for years. Lots of other examples. There
are drugs too nasty to legalize, but the country will not come to an end
with most drugs available. Alcohol probably causes more deaths than hard
drugs. Including the drug wars for sales territory. You have a friend, I
think it was you, who is hooked on OxyContin. Is he still a functioning
member of society? What the hell is accomplished by sending someone to
prison for use? Puts their family in the welfare system, costs to
incarcerate, and ruins any prospect for a decent job later. If they commit
a crime to pay for the drugs, then jail them. But if costs are low enough,
they will work and pay for the drug, just like alcohol. This was supposed
to be a free country. We are being controlled more, and observed more than
a lot of western countries these days. And it is both major parties
responsible, not just one side or the other.



Bill, that's about the dumbest post I've seen here in a long time.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/7/2014 12:19 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:59:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/7/14, 10:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:46:00 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Yeah, what we have created in this country is a growth industry for the

privatization of penal institutions. The corporations pressure the

legislators to pass more laws and stiffer sentences so more people can

be imprisoned for longer periods of time and so the private slams will

be guaranteed more income. It's a wonderful system and requires a lot

less brainpower than something that might actually work.



What would you do to handle the drug problem?



I don't claim to have *the* solution, but I do know that creating a
growth industry in prisons for the private sector ain't it. I think
decriminalizing simple possession for personal use would be a good
starting point, though.

I suppose that's for all the drugs up through heroin? I suppose you
disagree with the idea of
marijuana being a stepping stone to the 'better' stuff. So where would you draw the line?

Heroin is actually not a really bad 'hard' drug. Lots of heroin addicts
were functioning members of society. Lots turned to crime because of the
costs to procure, but heroin may kill you in the end because of paranoia.
Ray Charles was a heroin addict for years. Lots of other examples. There
are drugs too nasty to legalize, but the country will not come to an end
with most drugs available. Alcohol probably causes more deaths than hard
drugs. Including the drug wars for sales territory. You have a friend, I
think it was you, who is hooked on OxyContin. Is he still a functioning
member of society? What the hell is accomplished by sending someone to
prison for use? Puts their family in the welfare system, costs to
incarcerate, and ruins any prospect for a decent job later. If they commit
a crime to pay for the drugs, then jail them. But if costs are low enough,
they will work and pay for the drug, just like alcohol. This was supposed
to be a free country. We are being controlled more, and observed more than
a lot of western countries these days. And it is both major parties
responsible, not just one side or the other.



Bill, that's about the dumbest post I've seen here in a long time.

Maybe. But what we have is not working. Make drug use legal. But no
society money to take care of addicts. Your family takes care of you or
you die.

On 2/7/2014 4:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/7/2014 12:19 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:59:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/7/14, 10:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:46:00 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Yeah, what we have created in this country is a growth industry for the

privatization of penal institutions. The corporations pressure the

legislators to pass more laws and stiffer sentences so more people can

be imprisoned for longer periods of time and so the private slams will

be guaranteed more income. It's a wonderful system and requires a lot

less brainpower than something that might actually work.



What would you do to handle the drug problem?



I don't claim to have *the* solution, but I do know that creating a
growth industry in prisons for the private sector ain't it. I think
decriminalizing simple possession for personal use would be a good
starting point, though.

I suppose that's for all the drugs up through heroin? I suppose you
disagree with the idea of
marijuana being a stepping stone to the 'better' stuff. So where would you draw the line?

Heroin is actually not a really bad 'hard' drug. Lots of heroin addicts
were functioning members of society. Lots turned to crime because of the
costs to procure, but heroin may kill you in the end because of paranoia.
Ray Charles was a heroin addict for years. Lots of other examples. There
are drugs too nasty to legalize, but the country will not come to an end
with most drugs available. Alcohol probably causes more deaths than hard
drugs. Including the drug wars for sales territory. You have a friend, I
think it was you, who is hooked on OxyContin. Is he still a functioning
member of society? What the hell is accomplished by sending someone to
prison for use? Puts their family in the welfare system, costs to
incarcerate, and ruins any prospect for a decent job later. If they commit
a crime to pay for the drugs, then jail them. But if costs are low enough,
they will work and pay for the drug, just like alcohol. This was supposed
to be a free country. We are being controlled more, and observed more than
a lot of western countries these days. And it is both major parties
responsible, not just one side or the other.



Bill, that's about the dumbest post I've seen here in a long time.

Maybe. But what we have is not working. Make drug use legal. But no
society money to take care of addicts. Your family takes care of you or
you die.



Make drug use legal. Hmmm... We'll solve our problems by making
extremely addictive drugs like heroin legal? This country is going
down the tubes fast.

On 2/7/2014 4:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/7/2014 4:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/7/2014 12:19 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:59:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/7/14, 10:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2014 9:46:00 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Yeah, what we have created in this country is a growth industry
for the

privatization of penal institutions. The corporations pressure the

legislators to pass more laws and stiffer sentences so more
people can

be imprisoned for longer periods of time and so the private
slams will

be guaranteed more income. It's a wonderful system and requires
a lot

less brainpower than something that might actually work.



What would you do to handle the drug problem?



I don't claim to have *the* solution, but I do know that creating a
growth industry in prisons for the private sector ain't it. I think
decriminalizing simple possession for personal use would be a good
starting point, though.

I suppose that's for all the drugs up through heroin? I suppose you
disagree with the idea of
marijuana being a stepping stone to the 'better' stuff. So where
would you draw the line?

Heroin is actually not a really bad 'hard' drug. Lots of heroin
addicts
were functioning members of society. Lots turned to crime because
of the
costs to procure, but heroin may kill you in the end because of
paranoia.
Ray Charles was a heroin addict for years. Lots of other examples.
There
are drugs too nasty to legalize, but the country will not come to an
end
with most drugs available. Alcohol probably causes more deaths than
hard
drugs. Including the drug wars for sales territory. You have a
friend, I
think it was you, who is hooked on OxyContin. Is he still a
functioning
member of society? What the hell is accomplished by sending someone to
prison for use? Puts their family in the welfare system, costs to
incarcerate, and ruins any prospect for a decent job later. If they
commit
a crime to pay for the drugs, then jail them. But if costs are low
enough,
they will work and pay for the drug, just like alcohol. This was
supposed
to be a free country. We are being controlled more, and observed
more than
a lot of western countries these days. And it is both major parties
responsible, not just one side or the other.



Bill, that's about the dumbest post I've seen here in a long time.

Maybe. But what we have is not working. Make drug use legal. But no
society money to take care of addicts. Your family takes care of you or
you die.



Make drug use legal. Hmmm... We'll solve our problems by making
extremely addictive drugs like heroin legal? This country is going
down the tubes fast.



It hasn't worked anywhere. Look at Sweden, they are rolling back the
open laws cause it just made things worse.... I am for legalization of
pot, and killing of heroin dealers....period.

On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:54:46 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

It hasn't worked anywhere. Look at Sweden, they are rolling back the

open laws cause it just made things worse.... I am for legalization of

pot, and killing of heroin dealers....period.

From the movie "Red Heat"-



Ivan Danko:
I have car under control.

Art Ridzik:
Yeah, I'm sure they taught you all about cars and the price of insurance at your famous Russian school in Kiev!

Ivan Danko:
In socialist countries, insurance not necessary. State pays for everything.

Art Ridzik:
Yeah? Well, tell me something, Captain. If you've got such a ****ing paradise over there, how come you're up the same creek as we are with heroin and cocaine?

Ivan Danko:
Chinese find way. Right after revolution, they round up all drug dealers, all drug addicts, take them to public square, and shoot them in back of head.

Art Ridzik:
Ah, it'd never work here. ****ing politicians wouldn't go for it.

Ivan Danko:
Shoot them first.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:27:16 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, February 7, 2014 6:54:46 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

It hasn't worked anywhere. Look at Sweden, they are rolling back the

open laws cause it just made things worse.... I am for legalization of

pot, and killing of heroin dealers....period.

From the movie "Red Heat"-



Ivan Danko:
I have car under control.

Art Ridzik:
Yeah, I'm sure they taught you all about cars and the price of insurance at your famous Russian school in Kiev!

Ivan Danko:
In socialist countries, insurance not necessary. State pays for everything.

Art Ridzik:
Yeah? Well, tell me something, Captain. If you've got such a ****ing paradise over there, how come you're up the same creek as we are with heroin and cocaine?

Ivan Danko:
Chinese find way. Right after revolution, they round up all drug dealers, all drug addicts, take them to public square, and shoot them in back of head.

Art Ridzik:
Ah, it'd never work here. ****ing politicians wouldn't go for it.

Ivan Danko:
Shoot them first.


HOOOAAAHH !!!

On 2/8/2014 1:33 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:32:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Make drug use legal. Hmmm... We'll solve our problems by making
extremely addictive drugs like heroin legal? This country is going
down the tubes fast.

Drugs have been illegal for close to a century and usage has not
changed much. Certainly it goes up and down but not in relation to the
effects of the law.



and ?

Are you suggesting that therefore they should be made legal?

What the hell. May as well decriminalize rape, murder, assault and
virtually every other illegal act as well. They've been around for eons
despite laws against them.

I think there's enough evidence that suggests that pot is relatively
harmless when responsibly used for medical or recreational purposes.
Deaths due to pot overdose are .... zero. You don't find potheads
stealing, robbing or assaulting to get their weed, driven by a physical
addiction.

Not so with the addictive drugs like heroin.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2014 1:33 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:32:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Make drug use legal. Hmmm... We'll solve our problems by making
extremely addictive drugs like heroin legal? This country is going
down the tubes fast.

Drugs have been illegal for close to a century and usage has not
changed much. Certainly it goes up and down but not in relation to the
effects of the law.



and ?

Are you suggesting that therefore they should be made legal?

What the hell. May as well decriminalize rape, murder, assault and
virtually every other illegal act as well. They've been around for eons
despite laws against them.

I think there's enough evidence that suggests that pot is relatively
harmless when responsibly used for medical or recreational purposes.
Deaths due to pot overdose are .... zero. You don't find potheads
stealing, robbing or assaulting to get their weed, driven by a physical addiction.

Not so with the addictive drugs like heroin.

Murder, rape and assault are not crimes against yourself. Same reason I do
not care about gay marriage. Personal choice.

On 2/8/2014 2:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2014 1:33 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:32:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Make drug use legal. Hmmm... We'll solve our problems by making
extremely addictive drugs like heroin legal? This country is going
down the tubes fast.

Drugs have been illegal for close to a century and usage has not
changed much. Certainly it goes up and down but not in relation to the
effects of the law.



and ?

Are you suggesting that therefore they should be made legal?

What the hell. May as well decriminalize rape, murder, assault and
virtually every other illegal act as well. They've been around for eons
despite laws against them.

I think there's enough evidence that suggests that pot is relatively
harmless when responsibly used for medical or recreational purposes.
Deaths due to pot overdose are .... zero. You don't find potheads
stealing, robbing or assaulting to get their weed, driven by a physical addiction.

Not so with the addictive drugs like heroin.

Murder, rape and assault are not crimes against yourself. Same reason I do
not care about gay marriage. Personal choice.



Heroin addicts have a significant impact on others, including
co-workers, friends, family, hospitals, social services and more. We
all pay for the help that many, if not most get.

They need the help. The suppliers/pushers need to be in prison.

Legalizing heroin use doesn't solve a thing.

Pot, I can understand. It's not chemically addictive and is not mind
warping in a permanent way like heroin is.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:11:38 -0500, wrote:

People steal to buy all sorts of things and the guys who have guns are
not likely to be junkies stealing for a fix. They would just sell the
gun.

===

I think there are plenty of junkies who have used guns to steal. It's
called leverage assuming the proceeds of the crime are worth more than
the gun.