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Outstanding Video on drug use
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:21:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:59:47 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: See my response earlier. Oh hell, I'll post it again. This is what is taught in Fairfax County. Family Life Education Program Overview === I'm OK with that as far as it goes but the emphasis on abstinence, especially for older kids, is probably wishful thinking. Many of them are already, or soon will be, in "committed" relationships and need good solid birth control and disease prevention information more than anything else. It's largely a waste of time to preach abstinence to a bunch of raging hormones and it can cast the credibility of the whole program into doubt. We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only 'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is. There is a lot more emphasis on STD's and substance abuse. By the junior and senior years the 'sex education' is pretty much over, except for some more on STD's. Yes, there could probably be lots of improvements. But for the most part those take classroom time. We wouldn't want to take away any of the liberal arts classes. In any case, there *is* education taking place, contrary to what some would believe. |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 20:59:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/7/2014 8:21 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:59:47 -0500, Poco Loco wrote: See my response earlier. Oh hell, I'll post it again. This is what is taught in Fairfax County. Family Life Education Program Overview === I'm OK with that as far as it goes but the emphasis on abstinence, especially for older kids, is probably wishful thinking. Many of them are already, or soon will be, in "committed" relationships and need good solid birth control and disease prevention information more than anything else. It's largely a waste of time to preach abstinence to a bunch of raging hormones and it can cast the credibility of the whole program into doubt. I agree with all that. There was a time however when that type of education came primarily from your parents, supplemented by "health" and/or science classes in schools that covered all the clinical details but none of the emotional issues. Combined, they were effective. I guess we have to question what kind of teenage activities are considered "normal" today. If having sex with every girlfriend that comes along is now "normal" and, in the event of an inadvertent pregnancy, there's always the abortion clinc down the street, then I guess I really am a luddite. My old man spent time with me as a young, hormone filled teenager who was starting to date frequently. He talked about the need for taking precautions ... basically rubbers at that time. Few teenage girls were "on the pill" back then. He talked about responsibility which extended to that which I had for the girls involved and how important the ramifications of our actions could be. Most of all however, he emphasized having respect for women in general and particularly the young women I was seeing. Without having to be told it was clearly understood that if I treated girls badly or irresponsibly, I'd also be answering to him. It wasn't a threat in anyway. It was perfectly normal coming from him. He never preached abstinence. He was too smart to do that. He just tried to instill a more mature picture of how I should be considering the actions and responsibilities of whatever activities I engaged in with the fairer sex. I still have a lot of respect for his approach. He ended it with, "When the right one comes along, you'll know it." He was correct. A story. The boy and girl in question were 13 years old. I intercepted a note being passed from a girl to her boyfriend. In the note, the girl complained to the boy that he could at least say he loved her since she was giving him head. Both of these kids were from what I would consider middle to upper middle class, white, nice-looking, high on the peer social ladder, and you get the picture. I gave the note to the principal, expecting her to discuss it with the parents, or give it to a counselor for the same reason. No, the principal called a meeting with the parents...and me! During the meeting the parents expressed no surprise, outrage, worry, or any other emotion you'd think they'd express. At the end, they left angry...not with their daughter, but with me. Why? Because by taking and reading the note, I was infringing on the privacy of their daughter! They couldn't, or wouldn't, understand that I was worried about the 'safety' of their daughter. At one point the mother tried to say that 'giving head' may have been academic help. The father hushed her, saying they'd discuss it later. That happened about 15 years ago. Yes, what is 'normal' today is much different than what was 'normal' in our day. |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 21:43:26 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 2/7/2014 11:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Doesn't help to have a president that publicly acknowledges that pot isn't that dangerous. He's right, but what kind of influence does that have on a 12 to 14 year old? They can decide for themselves when they become adults. Lying to them isn't effective. They should be given the most accurate information available. Most will make reasonable decisions. You're correct that lying to them is not effective. But the President, if he doesn't want to lie to them, should perhaps keep his mouth shut rather than imply that pot is harmless and safe. |
Outstanding Video on drug use
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Outstanding Video on drug use
On 2/8/2014 7:47 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/7/2014 3:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:28:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is with much more dangerous and addictive opiates. The most pervasive opiates these days come from doctors and drug companies They say you can get addicted by doing one oxy... I have seen it, it's a fact... That could be, if the person gets a little buzz, likes it, and keeps taking it. I've had both the oxy's contin and codone recently. If actually taken for the pain, there isn't a 'high' that goes along with it, just a reduction in pain. I think if a person is feeling a 'high', then either they don't need the pain killer, or they're taking more than necessary. That may be your personal experience... My daughter was give a tylenol three which is probably 1/10th the opiate of an Oxycontin. She is a pro athelete and a few days ago because of this discussion we were talking about it... She is scared to death to take another one, almost a year later she swears she still craves that feeling... |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:47:44 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/8/2014 7:47 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/7/2014 3:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:28:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is with much more dangerous and addictive opiates. The most pervasive opiates these days come from doctors and drug companies They say you can get addicted by doing one oxy... I have seen it, it's a fact... That could be, if the person gets a little buzz, likes it, and keeps taking it. I've had both the oxy's contin and codone recently. If actually taken for the pain, there isn't a 'high' that goes along with it, just a reduction in pain. I think if a person is feeling a 'high', then either they don't need the pain killer, or they're taking more than necessary. That may be your personal experience... My daughter was give a tylenol three which is probably 1/10th the opiate of an Oxycontin. She is a pro athelete and a few days ago because of this discussion we were talking about it... She is scared to death to take another one, almost a year later she swears she still craves that feeling... My guess would be that she was over prescribed for the pain. Probably should have taken the tyleno without the codeine. |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote: We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only 'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is. === To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding automobile accidents is to not get in a car. |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On 2/8/2014 9:10 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:47:44 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/8/2014 7:47 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/7/2014 3:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:28:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is with much more dangerous and addictive opiates. The most pervasive opiates these days come from doctors and drug companies They say you can get addicted by doing one oxy... I have seen it, it's a fact... That could be, if the person gets a little buzz, likes it, and keeps taking it. I've had both the oxy's contin and codone recently. If actually taken for the pain, there isn't a 'high' that goes along with it, just a reduction in pain. I think if a person is feeling a 'high', then either they don't need the pain killer, or they're taking more than necessary. That may be your personal experience... My daughter was give a tylenol three which is probably 1/10th the opiate of an Oxycontin. She is a pro athelete and a few days ago because of this discussion we were talking about it... She is scared to death to take another one, almost a year later she swears she still craves that feeling... My guess would be that she was over prescribed for the pain. Probably should have taken the tyleno without the codeine. Are you kidding me? Your guess would be wrong... I won't get into the details... |
Outstanding Video on drug use
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:28:57 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/8/2014 9:10 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:47:44 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/8/2014 7:47 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/7/2014 3:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:28:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: That's not the problem. The problem is with much more dangerous and addictive opiates. The most pervasive opiates these days come from doctors and drug companies They say you can get addicted by doing one oxy... I have seen it, it's a fact... That could be, if the person gets a little buzz, likes it, and keeps taking it. I've had both the oxy's contin and codone recently. If actually taken for the pain, there isn't a 'high' that goes along with it, just a reduction in pain. I think if a person is feeling a 'high', then either they don't need the pain killer, or they're taking more than necessary. That may be your personal experience... My daughter was give a tylenol three which is probably 1/10th the opiate of an Oxycontin. She is a pro athelete and a few days ago because of this discussion we were talking about it... She is scared to death to take another one, almost a year later she swears she still craves that feeling... My guess would be that she was over prescribed for the pain. Probably should have taken the tyleno without the codeine. Are you kidding me? Your guess would be wrong... I won't get into the details... No sweat. My guesses have been wrong before. I'm just basing my 'guess' on my experiences and what I've heard doctors say. |
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