KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.

On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.

On 2/5/2014 12:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.


I will accept your non-answer, answer.. till you show me somewhere in
the US where any woman, doesn't have access to abortion on demand... I
stipulate the only imposition is making nuns have birth control, private
doctors being forced to perform abortion on demand, and forcing us to
pay for it all with no, not one reasonable compromise like some kind of
time line for AOD, as opposed to saving life... or similar.

On 2/5/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church
dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these
services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them
imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the
little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't
want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and
the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is
"imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to
do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have
imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow
"imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced
to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily
choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.


I will accept your non-answer, answer.. till you show me somewhere in
the US where any woman, doesn't have access to abortion on demand... I
stipulate the only imposition is making nuns have birth control, private
doctors being forced to perform abortion on demand, and forcing us to
pay for it all with no, not one reasonable compromise like some kind of
time line for AOD, as opposed to saving life... or similar.



To name two states, Kansas and Texas have closed down most clinics where
women can obtain abortions, forcing women to drive to other states or
even another country to get one.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:02:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

snipped

To name two states, Kansas and Texas have closed down most clinics where
women can obtain abortions, forcing women to drive to other states or
even another country to get one.

Well, I suppose these put the lie to that:

http://www.southwindwomenscenter.org/abortion-care/

http://www.routhstreet.com/

On 2/5/14, 11:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:02:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

snipped

To name two states, Kansas and Texas have closed down most clinics where
women can obtain abortions, forcing women to drive to other states or
even another country to get one.

Well, I suppose these put the lie to that:

http://www.southwindwomenscenter.org/abortion-care/

http://www.routhstreet.com/




I fail to see how your post disputes the fact that Kansas and Texas have
closed most clinics where women can get abortions. You did see the word
"most" in there, right? "Most" does not mean all.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.


I will accept your non-answer, answer.. till you show me somewhere in the
US where any woman, doesn't have access to abortion on demand... I
stipulate the only imposition is making nuns have birth control, private
doctors being forced to perform abortion on demand, and forcing us to pay
for it all with no, not one reasonable compromise like some kind of time
line for AOD, as opposed to saving life... or similar.

I am saying the law requires Catholic and other religious order run
hospitals to also do abortions.

On 2/5/2014 2:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is "imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow "imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.


I will accept your non-answer, answer.. till you show me somewhere in the
US where any woman, doesn't have access to abortion on demand... I
stipulate the only imposition is making nuns have birth control, private
doctors being forced to perform abortion on demand, and forcing us to pay
for it all with no, not one reasonable compromise like some kind of time
line for AOD, as opposed to saving life... or similar.

I am saying the law requires Catholic and other religious order run
hospitals to also do abortions.


That I agree... But that is not pro lifers imposing on AOD'ers, it's
exactly the opposite, it's Abortion On Demanders imposing on pro lifers.
Pro lifers who by the way, would be willing to talk about some
reasonable compromise, but the AOD'ers will have none of it...

On 2/5/14, 4:45 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 2:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/4/2014 2:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:47:27 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church
dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying
these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them
imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see
the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just
don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Isn't that what I just said?


I was talking about the "imposing" part.. Imposing what, and
the same
question we don't bother asking him, show me?

When these groups push legislation that makes everyone follow
their
pro life policies it "imposing".


So, asking for a reasonable time for a mom to decide is
"imposing"? Is
that what you are talking about?

No, he is talking about the law requiring a doctor or hospital
to do an
abortion on demand. No matter the beliefs of the doctor or
hospital!


So, what you are saying is.... "The hospital not wanting to have
imposed
on it the requirement to do abortions on demand, is somehow
"imposing" on
the folks who choose to use their facility? Dumb....

No, I am saying a Catholic or other religious run hospital is
forced to do
abortions on demand, despite their beliefs. The women could
easily choose
another facility. That is willing to perform the procedure.


So, I am still trying to see where the "imposing" comes in...

Read the laws.


I will accept your non-answer, answer.. till you show me somewhere in
the
US where any woman, doesn't have access to abortion on demand... I
stipulate the only imposition is making nuns have birth control, private
doctors being forced to perform abortion on demand, and forcing us to
pay
for it all with no, not one reasonable compromise like some kind of time
line for AOD, as opposed to saving life... or similar.

I am saying the law requires Catholic and other religious order run
hospitals to also do abortions.


That I agree... But that is not pro lifers imposing on AOD'ers, it's
exactly the opposite, it's Abortion On Demanders imposing on pro lifers.
Pro lifers who by the way, would be willing to talk about some
reasonable compromise, but the AOD'ers will have none of it...


Oh? And what would that compromise be, pray tell?