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On 1/20/2014 9:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 8:17 AM, KC wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. Because there were lots of "friends of Al Gore" with their hands out for contracts... Wouldn't you be interested in reducing your electricity bill by up to 13 percent/month for the next 10 years or more? I was. I would love to.. but I just can't see in my home with warm white light.. I need daylight or cool colors or I just get a headache all day. Most of the small energy saving bulbs are warm colors... Don't get me wrong, we are all cfl and other energy saving throughout the house, even the back porch lights... But I have to run two or three lamps in a room just to see so I am not sure how much savings we really get.... |
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On 1/20/2014 9:11 AM, KC wrote:
On 1/20/2014 9:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/20/2014 8:17 AM, KC wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. Because there were lots of "friends of Al Gore" with their hands out for contracts... Wouldn't you be interested in reducing your electricity bill by up to 13 percent/month for the next 10 years or more? I was. I would love to.. but I just can't see in my home with warm white light.. I need daylight or cool colors or I just get a headache all day. Most of the small energy saving bulbs are warm colors... Don't get me wrong, we are all cfl and other energy saving throughout the house, even the back porch lights... But I have to run two or three lamps in a room just to see so I am not sure how much savings we really get.... Next time you go to Home Depot or Lowe's, check out the LED bulbs I mentioned. There are at least *two* color temps available, one is "white" and the other is designed to be more of a warmer color. You could run 6 of them for the cost of running one conventional 60 watt bulb. The CFLs are horrible. |
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On 1/20/14, 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 11:46 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:00:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Next time you go to Home Depot or Lowe's, check out the LED bulbs I mentioned. There are at least *two* color temps available, one is "white" and the other is designed to be more of a warmer color. You could run 6 of them for the cost of running one conventional 60 watt bulb. The CFLs are horrible. Scientific American did an article a while ago about how "green" these new bulbs are and they fail that test. You may be saving money but you are polluting the planet. Fortunately it is Asia that is being polluted ****'m. We should all be careful of any product that requires special disposal procedures when it fails. I'll bet 90 percent of the consumers ignore them and just toss 'em in the trash. Going back to LED lights for a moment ... I just came back from our local hardware store to pick up an interior lock set and noticed they had a new display of LED bulbs made by GE. The price was only $6.99. One was of a conventional bulb size and I was reading the specs on the packaging when the store manager came up to me. The new rating system is lumens, not watts. No where on the GE packaging did it say anything like, "Compare to 60 watt" or anything. Turns out the one I was looking at for $6.99 was only 95 lumen. That's about equal to a 2.5 watt conventional bulb. Worthless, unless purely for decorative purposes. The store manager became curious and opened one of them and tried it out in a light fixture. He agreed. Worthless. The ones I recently installed (Cree) are rated at 800 lumens (ea.) Big difference. I found this little equivalency chart. Don't know if it is reasonably accurate: Lumens to watts table for incandescent bulbs light bulb watts Fluorecent / LED lumens incan Flourescent 375 lm 25 W 6.23 W 600 lm 40 W 10 W 900 lm 60 W 15 W 1125 lm 75 W 18.75 W 1500 lm 100 W 25 W 2250 lm 150 W 37.5 W 3000 lm 200 W 50 W The three way LEDs are really expensive. As in, Yikes! |
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On 1/20/2014 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 11:46 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:00:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Next time you go to Home Depot or Lowe's, check out the LED bulbs I mentioned. There are at least *two* color temps available, one is "white" and the other is designed to be more of a warmer color. You could run 6 of them for the cost of running one conventional 60 watt bulb. The CFLs are horrible. Scientific American did an article a while ago about how "green" these new bulbs are and they fail that test. You may be saving money but you are polluting the planet. Fortunately it is Asia that is being polluted ****'m. We should all be careful of any product that requires special disposal procedures when it fails. I'll bet 90 percent of the consumers ignore them and just toss 'em in the trash. Going back to LED lights for a moment ... I just came back from our local hardware store to pick up an interior lock set and noticed they had a new display of LED bulbs made by GE. The price was only $6.99. One was of a conventional bulb size and I was reading the specs on the packaging when the store manager came up to me. The new rating system is lumens, not watts. No where on the GE packaging did it say anything like, "Compare to 60 watt" or anything. Turns out the one I was looking at for $6.99 was only 95 lumen. That's about equal to a 2.5 watt conventional bulb. Worthless, unless purely for decorative purposes. The store manager became curious and opened one of them and tried it out in a light fixture. He agreed. Worthless. The ones I recently installed (Cree) are rated at 800 lumens (ea.) Big difference. Yeah, but it's still only equal to a typical 60 watt bulb... I need the lumens typical of a 100 watt incandescent (13-1500 lumens) to make a bulb worth while and I can't find that in a standard base, cfl or similar.... so far... |
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On 1/20/2014 1:10 PM, KC wrote:
On 1/20/2014 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:46 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:00:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Next time you go to Home Depot or Lowe's, check out the LED bulbs I mentioned. There are at least *two* color temps available, one is "white" and the other is designed to be more of a warmer color. You could run 6 of them for the cost of running one conventional 60 watt bulb. The CFLs are horrible. Scientific American did an article a while ago about how "green" these new bulbs are and they fail that test. You may be saving money but you are polluting the planet. Fortunately it is Asia that is being polluted ****'m. We should all be careful of any product that requires special disposal procedures when it fails. I'll bet 90 percent of the consumers ignore them and just toss 'em in the trash. Going back to LED lights for a moment ... I just came back from our local hardware store to pick up an interior lock set and noticed they had a new display of LED bulbs made by GE. The price was only $6.99. One was of a conventional bulb size and I was reading the specs on the packaging when the store manager came up to me. The new rating system is lumens, not watts. No where on the GE packaging did it say anything like, "Compare to 60 watt" or anything. Turns out the one I was looking at for $6.99 was only 95 lumen. That's about equal to a 2.5 watt conventional bulb. Worthless, unless purely for decorative purposes. The store manager became curious and opened one of them and tried it out in a light fixture. He agreed. Worthless. The ones I recently installed (Cree) are rated at 800 lumens (ea.) Big difference. Yeah, but it's still only equal to a typical 60 watt bulb... I need the lumens typical of a 100 watt incandescent (13-1500 lumens) to make a bulb worth while and I can't find that in a standard base, cfl or similar.... so far... I think you will in time. When LED bulbs first came out they were only in the 50 to 200 lumen range, max. Phillips and Cree broke that barrier with the 800 lumen (60 watt equiv) and Cree recently announced a 75 watt equiv. version. Problem is price. The 60 watt equiv. that has been around for a while is $12.99 and the price is dropping. The newer 75 watt equiv. version is over $20. |
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On 1/20/2014 1:10 PM, KC wrote:
On 1/20/2014 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/20/2014 11:46 AM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:00:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Next time you go to Home Depot or Lowe's, check out the LED bulbs I mentioned. There are at least *two* color temps available, one is "white" and the other is designed to be more of a warmer color. You could run 6 of them for the cost of running one conventional 60 watt bulb. The CFLs are horrible. Scientific American did an article a while ago about how "green" these new bulbs are and they fail that test. You may be saving money but you are polluting the planet. Fortunately it is Asia that is being polluted ****'m. We should all be careful of any product that requires special disposal procedures when it fails. I'll bet 90 percent of the consumers ignore them and just toss 'em in the trash. Going back to LED lights for a moment ... I just came back from our local hardware store to pick up an interior lock set and noticed they had a new display of LED bulbs made by GE. The price was only $6.99. One was of a conventional bulb size and I was reading the specs on the packaging when the store manager came up to me. The new rating system is lumens, not watts. No where on the GE packaging did it say anything like, "Compare to 60 watt" or anything. Turns out the one I was looking at for $6.99 was only 95 lumen. That's about equal to a 2.5 watt conventional bulb. Worthless, unless purely for decorative purposes. The store manager became curious and opened one of them and tried it out in a light fixture. He agreed. Worthless. The ones I recently installed (Cree) are rated at 800 lumens (ea.) Big difference. Yeah, but it's still only equal to a typical 60 watt bulb... I need the lumens typical of a 100 watt incandescent (13-1500 lumens) to make a bulb worth while and I can't find that in a standard base, cfl or similar.... so far... If you used a little ingenuity you could pair up 2 800 lumen led's and have the equivalent of a 100 watt or better incand. Forget the CFLs. They are worthless, and dangerous. |
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