In article ,
says...

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:20:16 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I don't think universal registration, in and of itself, violates the 2nd.

The only constitutional way they can do that is to make it a tax.

That is what the AKA "ban" on machine guns is. NFA34 imposes a $200
tax on a machine gun (more than a Thompson cost in 1934). The fly in
that ointment is you need to pass a background check and get the local
cops to sign off before they will let you buy that tax stamp ... and
it is a lick it and stick it stamp on a BATF form 4.,

Be careful what you are agreeing to.
Do you really want the IRS collecting a tax on every gun you own every
year?

Talk about law breakers!
At the very least, a whole lot more guns would flood the underground
market.

There you go.
gfretwell has spoken on the Constitution.
And "predicted."

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:03:37 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:39:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:20:16 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:


I don't think universal registration, in and of itself, violates the 2nd.

The only constitutional way they can do that is to make it a tax.

That is what the AKA "ban" on machine guns is. NFA34 imposes a $200
tax on a machine gun (more than a Thompson cost in 1934). The fly in
that ointment is you need to pass a background check and get the local
cops to sign off before they will let you buy that tax stamp ... and
it is a lick it and stick it stamp on a BATF form 4.,

Be careful what you are agreeing to.
Do you really want the IRS collecting a tax on every gun you own every
year?

Talk about law breakers!
At the very least, a whole lot more guns would flood the underground
market.

There you go.
gfretwell has spoken on the Constitution.
And "predicted."

I did not speak for the Constitution, the SCOTUS did and that was how
they determined that NFA34 was legal.
GCA68 was simply an extension of NFA34

Many laws that were not structured that way were struck down by
Heller.

As for the underground gun economy, it flourishes the most in places
where the laws are strictest. When will we ever learn the lesson of
prohibition?
Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..


The federal anti-marijuana laws!

:)

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:39:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

There you go.
gfretwell has spoken on the Constitution.
And "predicted."

I did not speak for the Constitution, the SCOTUS did and that was how
they determined that NFA34 was legal.
GCA68 was simply an extension of NFA34

Many laws that were not structured that way were struck down by
Heller.


And a new court may say otherhwise.

As for the underground gun economy, it flourishes the most in places
where the laws are strictest. When will we ever learn the lesson of
prohibition?
Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs. I think "people want" is variable.
People in Mass wanted gun registration. They got it.
It'll happen federally, when the times comes.
Guns don't care about state borders.

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:39:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

There you go.
gfretwell has spoken on the Constitution.
And "predicted."

I did not speak for the Constitution, the SCOTUS did and that was how
they determined that NFA34 was legal.
GCA68 was simply an extension of NFA34

Many laws that were not structured that way were struck down by
Heller.


And a new court may say otherhwise.

As for the underground gun economy, it flourishes the most in places
where the laws are strictest. When will we ever learn the lesson of
prohibition?
Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs. I think "people want" is variable.
People in Mass wanted gun registration. They got it.
It'll happen federally, when the times comes.
Guns don't care about state borders.

Passing a law doesn't get guns registered, except for those guns whose owners want to register them.
The people in Mass may have wanted gun registration, but all the guns didn't come in and register
themselves.

Homicides have been dropping in Boston, but...

"Despite that encouraging news, the almost-year-end statistics reveal a troubling reality: Although
police continue to confiscate guns, the street supply remains steady enough for overall gun violence
to continue unabated. The number of 2013 shootings by Dec. 22 is almost exactly what it was last
year: 246."

http://tinyurl.com/lr88lbk

Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:39:51 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

There you go.
gfretwell has spoken on the Constitution.
And "predicted."

I did not speak for the Constitution, the SCOTUS did and that was how
they determined that NFA34 was legal.
GCA68 was simply an extension of NFA34

Many laws that were not structured that way were struck down by
Heller.


And a new court may say otherhwise.

As for the underground gun economy, it flourishes the most in places
where the laws are strictest. When will we ever learn the lesson of
prohibition?
Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs. I think "people want" is variable.
People in Mass wanted gun registration. They got it.
It'll happen federally, when the times comes.
Guns don't care about state borders.

Passing a law doesn't get guns registered, except for those guns whose
owners want to register them.
The people in Mass may have wanted gun registration, but all the guns
didn't come in and register
themselves.

Homicides have been dropping in Boston, but...

"Despite that encouraging news, the almost-year-end statistics reveal a
troubling reality: Although
police continue to confiscate guns, the street supply remains steady
enough for overall gun violence
to continue unabated. The number of 2013 shootings by Dec. 22 is almost
exactly what it was last
year: 246."

http://tinyurl.com/lr88lbk

How the hell are you going to keep people from having guns. Does not work
in England, does not really work in Canada. And when you figure some 3rd
world country is making AK47's in home shops with little electricity, how
you going to stop manufacturing here? Lots of older milling machines, for
sale cheap! Going to register every lathe?

On 1/19/2014 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs.

There does not seem to be any shortage of 100w incandescent bulbs
If it really became something people wanted in any quantity, they
would be coming in by the truck load.

http://www.elightbulbs.com/Halco-063...UOOg odHSYAtg


But, it's not a standard 100 Watt light bulb.
You not seeing them at Walmart, Kmart etc.
Mikek

On 1/19/2014 3:07 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/19/2014 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs.

There does not seem to be any shortage of 100w incandescent bulbs
If it really became something people wanted in any quantity, they
would be coming in by the truck load.

http://www.elightbulbs.com/Halco-063...UOOg odHSYAtg



But, it's not a standard 100 Watt light bulb.
You not seeing them at Walmart, Kmart etc.
Mikek



I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are
shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same,
non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any
funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for
incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like
controlling only one. Not enough load.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/19/2014 3:07 PM, amdx wrote:
On 1/19/2014 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive
underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any
effort to regulate it..

Incandescent light bulbs.

There does not seem to be any shortage of 100w incandescent bulbs
If it really became something people wanted in any quantity, they
would be coming in by the truck load.

http://www.elightbulbs.com/Halco-063...UOOg odHSYAtg



But, it's not a standard 100 Watt light bulb.
You not seeing them at Walmart, Kmart etc.
Mikek



I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are
shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same,
non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any
funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for
incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like
controlling only one. Not enough load.

The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last
any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund
sites with the bulbs?

On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are
shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same,
non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any
funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for
incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like
controlling only one. Not enough load.

The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last
any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund
sites with the bulbs?

My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim
them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the
whole point.
I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost?

If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running
at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much
power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner.



I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when
dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets
darker.

The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not
romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a
LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or
hundreds of millions across the country sure is.

Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity
consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED
equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the
past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights
we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop
as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did.

The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are
$12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year
warranty and consume 9.5 watts.

On 1/20/14, 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are
shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same,
non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have
any
funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for
incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like
controlling only one. Not enough load.

The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do
not last
any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become
superfund
sites with the bulbs?

My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim
them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the
whole point.
I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost?

If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running
at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much
power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner.



I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when
dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets
darker.

The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not
romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a
LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or
hundreds of millions across the country sure is.

Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity
consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED
equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the
past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights
we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop
as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did.

The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are
$12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year
warranty and consume 9.5 watts.


I bought a few of those Cree bulbs at Home Despot. They seem to be
working well. Haven't noticed any difference in the color of the room
lighting.