I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:53:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.

Assuming there was enough light to see an asshole!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/2013 2:07 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:53:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.

Assuming there was enough light to see an asshole!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




My understanding of castle laws and the use of deadly force is that one
still has to have reasonable presumption of fear of death or great
bodily harm. The only difference from other self defense laws is that
you are not obligated to evade or try to escape from the perceived
danger if you are in your home.

I am not sure this situation met those standards.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the
basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.


I go along with Greg. But daughter should not have been sneaking out and
in in middle of the night. Neighbor has one of those kids. Now pregnant
and living with boyfriend. She was busted with alcohol when she was about
14. In auto accident in Oakland, 30 miles away at 3 am. Had snuck out at
midnight. Maybe bad parenting as well as bad kid. His other 2 kids seem
to not get in trouble. So maybe just bad kid.

On 12/24/13, 3:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the
basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.


I go along with Greg. But daughter should not have been sneaking out and
in in middle of the night. Neighbor has one of those kids. Now pregnant
and living with boyfriend. She was busted with alcohol when she was about
14. In auto accident in Oakland, 30 miles away at 3 am. Had snuck out at
midnight. Maybe bad parenting as well as bad kid. His other 2 kids seem
to not get in trouble. So maybe just bad kid.


Whether the kid was good or bad is not relevant. What is relevant is
that anyone who fires a gun at someone in a "home incident" without
first seeing them clearly shouldn't be allowed near guns. This isn't the
military, where you shoot off in the distance sometimes and not know or
care who you might hit.

Herring's guns should be taken away before he shoots his wife, one of
his grown kids, or one of his grandkids. Or a neighbor cutting through
his yard. He apparently will shoot first, and then look to see who it
was. Not acceptable.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:21:17 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.

Does he have to 'know' he's in imminent danger? There are so many unknowns here that a judgment
would be hard to make. Was the daughter sober? Was she climbing up the basement stairs in the dark?
Did she continue coming when he said, "Stop."

If the investigation shows the stepfather had no reason to shoot, then he should be hung (or
whatever the liberals want done to killers these days.)

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/2013 2:06 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:21:17 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.

Does he have to 'know' he's in imminent danger? There are so many unknowns here that a judgment
would be hard to make. Was the daughter sober? Was she climbing up the basement stairs in the dark?
Did she continue coming when he said, "Stop."

If the investigation shows the stepfather had no reason to shoot, then he should be hung (or
whatever the liberals want done to killers these days.)

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



If it's with a gun, they want to string him up.. if it was with a knife
or fist, "they had a tough life" and deserve some understanding...