I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 01:52:13 -0800, jps wrote:


I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.

A 14 year-old coming in at 6 AM, thru the basement, a burglary attempt reported, but someone coming
up the basement stairs, dark? Sounds like there may have been a rationale for that one. Very bad,
but somewhat understandable. It will be interesting to see what the police investigation shows.

On the other hand...

Joseph Eisel, 51, was asleep with his wife around 3 a.m. when he woke to a 27-year-old man he did
not know standing over his bed. Startled and fearful for his life, Eisel reached for the 9 mm pistol
he keeps bedside. The intruder fled the room and entered the Eisels’ garage. Eisel followed him into
the garage where the intruder fell to the floor. Eisel ordered the intruder to stay on the floor
while his wife dialed 911. Eisel held the intruder at gunpoint until police arrived a short time
later. The intruder allegedly entered the home through a broken basement window. Reportedly no one
was hurt during the home invasion. “Everybody complains about guns,” Eisel said of the incident,
“but I’m glad I have one.” (Butler Eagle, Cranberry Township, PA, 10/1/13)

Thank goodness he had a gun, eh?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:21:17 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.

Does he have to 'know' he's in imminent danger? There are so many unknowns here that a judgment
would be hard to make. Was the daughter sober? Was she climbing up the basement stairs in the dark?
Did she continue coming when he said, "Stop."

If the investigation shows the stepfather had no reason to shoot, then he should be hung (or
whatever the liberals want done to killers these days.)

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:53:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.

Assuming there was enough light to see an asshole!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/2013 2:07 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:53:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.

Assuming there was enough light to see an asshole!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




My understanding of castle laws and the use of deadly force is that one
still has to have reasonable presumption of fear of death or great
bodily harm. The only difference from other self defense laws is that
you are not obligated to evade or try to escape from the perceived
danger if you are in your home.

I am not sure this situation met those standards.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the
basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.


I go along with Greg. But daughter should not have been sneaking out and
in in middle of the night. Neighbor has one of those kids. Now pregnant
and living with boyfriend. She was busted with alcohol when she was about
14. In auto accident in Oakland, 30 miles away at 3 am. Had snuck out at
midnight. Maybe bad parenting as well as bad kid. His other 2 kids seem
to not get in trouble. So maybe just bad kid.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:28:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/24/2013 2:07 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:53:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:23:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:42:12 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 4:52 AM, jps wrote:

I shot your daughter!

A 14-year-old Colorado girl was shot and killed by her stepfather
early Monday morning after he mistook her for a burglar entering their
house.

KOAA-TV reported that police found the girl in the basement, having
suffered a gunshot to the chest. She later died at a local hospital.

The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the shooting took place
around 6 a.m. Monday. Police were initially called to the house to
respond to a burglary attempt.


These "accidental shootings" ought to result in jail sentences for the
shooters, who in many cases are just too irresponsible and trigger
happy. If you shoot someone you don't know who is busting into your
house, you are correct in assuming he or she is up to no good. If you
shoot someone who turns out to be your kid, you shouldn't be playing
with guns.

Someone busted into the house, at 6AM (still dark outside), thru the basement. How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?

That paragraph, ESAFOAD, was just plain stupid.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I am a gun guy but I am forced to ask, "how did he know he was in
imminent danger"? Without answering that question in a way that would
convince a reasonable person, he has a good chance of going to jail.



Here's a better question...did he know the person he shot was his
stepdaughter? Here's another...was he stupidly just shooting at the
location of some sort of noise, without knowing what he was shooting at?
You would think that before someone shoots another person under the
circumstances as described in the news story, the shooter would take a
second to determine if the target was friend or foe.

Not as Herring the Racist says, "How the hell was the
owner supposed to *know* it was their kid?"

By looking at who you are about to shoot, asshole.

Assuming there was enough light to see an asshole!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




My understanding of castle laws and the use of deadly force is that one
still has to have reasonable presumption of fear of death or great
bodily harm. The only difference from other self defense laws is that
you are not obligated to evade or try to escape from the perceived
danger if you are in your home.

I am not sure this situation met those standards.

Either am I. That's why I said it's hard to make a judgment. (Of course, that's been snipped.) If
the guy committed a crime, then he should suffer.

Here's another comment:

"Police say the stepfather hasn't been arrested and prosecutors will have to determine if charges
are warranted. Colorado law allows homeowners to defend themselves against home intruders."

http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/12/colo...ills_14-y.html

Colorado has a 'Make my Day' law which allows shooting under certain circumstances. I suppose we
should let the investigation determine if those were met. Apparently the police are still
investigating.

Unlike some folks here, I don't find the guy guilty yet.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!