On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.



As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"



Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural

hegemony.


Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much
You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make



you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.



I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?



It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what

they get into programs and services.

put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes





Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm


You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site?



Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.



I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.



ok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac



And drink a little Greek wine.



Do you dance and drink at your church festivals?



no. am I supposed to?

On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.



As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"



Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural

hegemony.


Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much
You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make



you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.



I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?



It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what

they get into programs and services.

put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes





Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm


You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site?



Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.



I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.



ok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac



And drink a little Greek wine.



Do you dance and drink at your church festivals?



no. am I supposed to?


Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do
they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*
occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink
a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox
festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish
festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.

Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water
into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who
believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in
conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,
the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?

On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?


Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate
charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the
help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or,
well, you get the picture...or you should.

You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do
there?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/18/2013 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.



As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"



Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural

hegemony.


Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much
You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make



you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.



I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?



It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what

they get into programs and services.

put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes





Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm


You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic site?



Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.



I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.



ok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac



And drink a little Greek wine.



Do you dance and drink at your church festivals?



no. am I supposed to?

When Harry dances at his church festival, it is expected that everyone
dance at their church festival whether or not dancing or drinking is
allowed or encouraged at such events.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/19/2013 8:06 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European
history.



As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"



Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural

hegemony.


Well,I don't know about that, but I'm sure it hasn't evolved much
You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make



you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous
giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks
about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.



I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some
so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in
'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?



It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what

they get into programs and services.

put yourself into it and you know where 100% of it goes





Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm



You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a
Hasidic site?



Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.



I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.



ok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac



And drink a little Greek wine.



Do you dance and drink at your church festivals?



no. am I supposed to?


Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do
they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*
occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink
a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox
festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish
festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.

Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water
into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who
believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in
conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,
the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.



For a guy who despises religion, you certainly study them and
participate vigorously in religious celebrations. What are you searching
for?

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/19/2013 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?

I think Harry is off on a bender. Don't expect any rational discussion
points from him until he settles down and sobers up after the holidays.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/19/2013 8:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at
a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?


Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate
charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the
help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or,
well, you get the picture...or you should.

You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do
there?

Remember, your giving goes to non religious "organizations". Don't
pretend that your donation to the Greek festival was anything more than
an entrance fee.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/19/13, 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:48:46 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/19/2013 8:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories, drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at
a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?


Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate
charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the
help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or,
well, you get the picture...or you should.

You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do
there?

Remember, your giving goes to non religious "organizations". Don't
pretend that your donation to the Greek festival was anything more than
an entrance fee.

With Harry's attitude about gay guys, it does beg the question "Who
was his "date" to that "greek" festival.
I wonder which pocket he wears that dark blue hanky in.



Gee, what do you think my attitude towards "gay guys" is beyond live and
let live? It's not as if I am a Republican member of Congress, hanging
out in airport bathrooms, or a Republican hater of gays, or a Republican
conservative christian hater of gays, eh?

Oh, and for your developmentally delayed seventh grade buddy, FlaJim,
who I see pooped into this thread, there is no "entrance fee" at the
Greek festival. They do sell a lot of properly cooked, homemade Greek
meals and delicacies, and there are vendors offering books, olive oil,
jewelry, CDs, et cetera.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/19/2013 12:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:48:46 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/19/2013 8:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/19/13, 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:06:14 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 11:17 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:51 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Well, what do the more regular people do at your church festivals? Do

they dance and drink a little? Festivals typically are *light*

occasions, where folks come together to sing, dance, tell stories,
drink

a little wine, eat, and have fun. That's the charm of the Greek
Orthodox

festival, and most of the Roman Catholic and Jewish

festivals/weddings/bar mitzvahs, et cetera, I've attended.



Your guy Jesus did some of that...he didn't, after all, change water

into grape juice at the marriage at Cana, did he? And there are
many who

believe the last supper was in fact one of the seders Jews hold in

conjunction with Passover, and assuredly, if it were such a ceremony,

the liquid in the chalice was wine, not water.


I answered your question Harry. Now what does drinking and dancing at
a church bazaar have to do with feeding the poooooor?


Perhaps the bazaar is being held to raise funds for legitimate
charitable purposes, Tim, such as helping to feed those who need the
help, or to finance a medical procedure for someone who needs one, or,
well, you get the picture...or you should.

You don't sound like the "fun date" to take to a bazaar. What do you do
there?

Remember, your giving goes to non religious "organizations". Don't
pretend that your donation to the Greek festival was anything more than
an entrance fee.

With Harry's attitude about gay guys, it does beg the question "Who
was his "date" to that "greek" festival.
I wonder which pocket he wears that dark blue hanky in.



Gee, what do you think my attitude towards "gay guys" is beyond live and
let live? It's not as if I am a Republican member of Congress, hanging
out in airport bathrooms, or a Republican hater of gays, or a Republican
conservative christian hater of gays, eh?

Oh, and for your developmentally delayed seventh grade buddy, FlaJim,
who I see pooped into this thread, there is no "entrance fee" at the
Greek festival. They do sell a lot of properly cooked, homemade Greek
meals and delicacies, and there are vendors offering books, olive oil,
jewelry, CDs, et cetera.

"The Greek festival". Are you saying all Greek festivals have free
entry? Properly cooked food, maybe, homemade maybe, but the steam tables
do nothing for the food that's been sitting for hours.
BTW: You were stunning in the dance video.

--
Americans deserve better.