On 12/17/2013 7:53 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
The rich give to help the rich:


Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the
rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?


We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals
in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.

When Harry does something it's "I". When she does something it's "We".
Why doesn't she give to sectarian entities? She is, after all, a
religious protestant, "Southern Belle". I hesitate to say Southern
Baptist because we don't have the proof. But your rants would tend to
indicate that's the case. Poor Harry, forced to live among Christians.

--
Americans deserve better.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53:35 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals

in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.


****ING LIAR

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:





Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?





We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals

in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.


"We give nonsectarian organizations?"

How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...

You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"

On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:





Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?





We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals

in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.


"We give nonsectarian organizations?"

How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...

You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"


So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because
their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was
more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big
Oil?

Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he
outlined?

The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go
into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to
depend on others.

Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do.

The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing
who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,
because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That’s
how we give . . .anonymously.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You don’t pay attention to the Pope because you’re
not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn’t pay attention to
Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?

But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.

Religion… it’s *so* confusing.



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Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/18/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Tim said
You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a
conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can
pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"

Harry responds
So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because
their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was
more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big
Oil?

I see your point. Politicians are responsible for the level of poverty
we are seeing in this country. Why should you have to get personally
involved in someone else's business . Throwing a few shekels, from your
allowance, into the kettle is the simple, clean way to ease your
conscience. I have to agree with Tim. You come across as a douchebag.
--
Americans deserve better.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The rich give to help the rich:











Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?











We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals



in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.





"We give nonsectarian organizations?"



How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...



You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"





So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because

their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was

more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big

Oil?

Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work?

When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt.



Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he

outlined?

I've never heard of the guy.




The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go

into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to

depend on others.



Do you do that or give to a charity that does that?
We do.

Betcha get a tax write-off too!

Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it)

I have.

The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing

who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,

because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s

how we give . . .anonymously.

"solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break.

"Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs??




Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re

not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to

Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?



Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too.

But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.

On that you are correct.


Religion� it�s *so* confusing.

Not unless you want it to be.

Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
The rich give to help the rich:

Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?
He doesn't pay taxes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:

As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a
tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve
“their kind” and not the needy.

[A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by
America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art
museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time
hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors.

Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and
universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such
institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of
affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been
notably generous.)

Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do
the nationÂ’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum
gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup
kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post
found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities
that do not specifically help the poor.

http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj

If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the
richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII.

Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000
per year.

If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids,
what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the
hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Kevin, you are showing financial ignorance to the max.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:31:46 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:

As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a
tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve
?their kind? and not the needy.

[A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by
America?s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces ? operas, art
museums, symphonies, and theaters ? where they spend their leisure time
hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors.

Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and
universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such
institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of
affirmative action, to applicants and ?legacies? whose parents have been
notably generous.)

Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do
the nation?s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum
gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup
kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post
found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities
that do not specifically help the poor.

http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj

If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the
richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII.

Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000
per year.

If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids,
what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the
hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Kevin, you are showing financial ignorance to the max.

He's becoming a big embarrassment to Johns everywhere.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:26:46 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:09 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:

As an article published on Salon recently pointed out, the rich have a
tendency to give generously to institutions and endowments that serve
“their kind” and not the needy.

[A] large portion of the charitable deductions now claimed by
America’s wealthy are for donations to culture palaces – operas, art
museums, symphonies, and theaters – where they spend their leisure time
hobnobbing with other wealthy benefactors.

Another portion is for contributions to the elite prep schools and
universities they once attended or want their children to attend. (Such
institutions typically give preference in admissions, a kind of
affirmative action, to applicants and “legacies” whose parents have been
notably generous.)

Art museums and Ivy League schools need money too, of course, but so do
the nation’s hungry and homeless. A dollar donated to an art museum
gives you the same amount of tax deductions as one spent at a soup
kitchen. The numbers do not favor the poor, either. The Washington Post
found that around 70% of all charitable contributions went to charities
that do not specifically help the poor.

http://tinyurl.com/qhxbmlj

If you really want to help the poor, return the tax to 91% for the
richest Americans; that's where it was shortly after WWII.

Then, change the tax rate to 0% for those making under about $100,000
per year.

If we did THAT, the poor could help themselves. Handout are band aids,
what they need is a transfusion. Nothing will change unless the
hoarded money comes back into the hands of people that create jobs.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Hell yes, give the poor a *bunch* of money. That'll teach them to 'fish'.

You liberals have one big problem. You're friggin' jealous. That's a bitch.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!