Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
The rich give to help the rich:

Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?
He doesn't pay taxes.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:





Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?





We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals

in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.


"We give nonsectarian organizations?"

How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...

You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"

On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The rich give to help the rich:





Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?





We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals

in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.


"We give nonsectarian organizations?"

How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...

You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"


So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because
their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was
more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big
Oil?

Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he
outlined?

The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go
into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to
depend on others.

Do you do that or give to a charity that does that? We do.

The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing
who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,
because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That’s
how we give . . .anonymously.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You don’t pay attention to the Pope because you’re
not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn’t pay attention to
Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?

But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.

Religion… it’s *so* confusing.



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On 12/18/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Tim said
You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a
conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can
pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"

Harry responds
So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you’ve given food because
their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was
more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big
Oil?

I see your point. Politicians are responsible for the level of poverty
we are seeing in this country. Why should you have to get personally
involved in someone else's business . Throwing a few shekels, from your
allowance, into the kettle is the simple, clean way to ease your
conscience. I have to agree with Tim. You come across as a douchebag.
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:35:23 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

I see your point. Politicians are responsible for the level of poverty
we are seeing in this country. Why should you have to get personally
involved in someone else's business . Throwing a few shekels, from your
allowance, into the kettle is the simple, clean way to ease your
conscience. I have to agree with Tim. You come across as a douchebag.

===

Hank, that is an insult and discredit to douchebags everywhere.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The rich give to help the rich:











Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?











We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals



in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.





"We give nonsectarian organizations?"



How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...



You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"





So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because

their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was

more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big

Oil?

Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work?

When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt.



Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he

outlined?

I've never heard of the guy.




The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go

into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to

depend on others.



Do you do that or give to a charity that does that?
We do.

Betcha get a tax write-off too!

Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it)

I have.

The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing

who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,

because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s

how we give . . .anonymously.

"solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break.

"Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs??




Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re

not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to

Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?



Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too.

But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.

On that you are correct.


Religion� it�s *so* confusing.

Not unless you want it to be.

On 12/18/13, 7:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The rich give to help the rich:











Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?











We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals



in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.





"We give nonsectarian organizations?"



How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...



You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"





So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because

their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was

more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big

Oil?

Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work?

When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt.



Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he

outlined?

I've never heard of the guy.




The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go

into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to

depend on others.



Do you do that or give to a charity that does that?
We do.

Betcha get a tax write-off too!

Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it)

I have.

The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing

who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,

because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s

how we give . . .anonymously.

"solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break.

"Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs??




Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re

not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to

Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?



Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too.

But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.

On that you are correct.


Religion� it�s *so* confusing.

Not unless you want it to be.



I'm surprised that you have not heard of Maimonides. He was an important
"thinker" and "writer" on many subjects in medieval times, and his
writings are still influential today. And yes, I am familiar with
Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.

You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make
you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving
Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.
Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:

http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm

You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic
site? You probably don't see many Lubavitchers out there where you live.
Just don't tell anyone at your church if you look at the site.

Sorry to push this Jewish stuff at you. I grew up in a city dominated by
Roman and Eastern Catholics and Jews, so naturally I hung out with
mostly Catholic and Jewish kids. We didn't encounter many Baptist kids
in New Haven. Do the Baptists still try to convert Jews? That must be
funny to observe.





--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/18/13, 7:15 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:57:23 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/17/13, 10:40 PM, Tim wrote:



On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:53:35 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:



On 12/17/13, 7:09 AM, Tim wrote:







On Monday, December 16, 2013 10:49:09 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:







The rich give to help the rich:























Hey Harry. Surely you're a charitable man. Instead of gripe about "the rich" why don't you tell us what YOU give and WHO it helps?























We give to nonsectarian organizations that help families and individuals







in need of shelter, clothing, food, and medical attention.











"We give nonsectarian organizations?"







How about getting close and personal? Like, pay somebody's back utility bill so they don't get their gas shut off, or buy somebody a cheap but dependable beater car so they can make it to their new job. Donate a few truckloads of firewood so a family because they can't financially fill a propane tank? How about fix the under pinning on a widows trailer so her pipes don't freeze? Or, send some people some emergency bucks because of a sudden health catastrophe, or work really close with local disaster relief when a tornado comes through...







You ought to try something like that. It beats trying to satisfy a conscience by throwing a few shekels into a bottomless pit so you can pay somebody else to deal with "the poooooor"











So, Tim, what do you tell a family to which you�ve given food because



their food stamps were cut because your political party thought it was



more important to protect the tax cuts of the rich and subsidies for Big



Oil?



Really? is that what I'm supposed to do? Give night classes on politics and how it doesn't work?



When a person is about to get their lights turned off in the winter because they've run out of unemployment benefits, they couldn't care less who's running the govt.







Are you familiar with Maimonides and the Eight Levels of Charity he



outlined?



I've never heard of the guy.









The highest level, he wrote, is to give someone a gift or loan or go



into business with him or find him a job so that he no longer has to



depend on others.







Do you do that or give to a charity that does that?

We do.



Betcha get a tax write-off too!



Did you ever buy someone a car so they could have transportation to a new job so they could get off the dole (or what was left of it)



I have.



The second highest level is to help those who need it without knowing



who the recipient is and without the recipient knowing who you are,



because this is considered charity solely for the sake of heaven. That�s



how we give . . .anonymously.



"solely for the sake of heaven?" gimme a break.



"Anonymously?" So you don't want people to know that you give to charities that cream big percentages off the top for "administrative costs??









Oh, wait, I forgot. You don�t pay attention to the Pope because you�re



not a Papist and I assume that means you wouldn�t pay attention to



Maimonides because he was a Jew. Right?







Like I've said, I've never heard of him, but I have heard of Antonio Gramsci. I think you and the Pope have too.



But, wait. You claim to pay attention to Jesus . . . but he was a Jew.



On that you are correct.





Religion� it�s *so* confusing.



Not unless you want it to be.







I'm surprised that you have not heard of Maimonides. He was an important

"thinker" and "writer" on many subjects in medieval times, and his

writings are still influential today. And yes, I am familiar with

Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.

As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"



You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make

you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.

I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?







Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm



You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic

site?

Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.


You probably don't see many Lubavitchers out there where you live.

Just don't tell anyone at your church if you look at the site.



Sorry to push this Jewish stuff at you. I grew up in a city dominated by

Roman and Eastern Catholics and Jews, so naturally I hung out with

mostly Catholic and Jewish kids. We didn't encounter many Baptist kids

in New Haven. Do the Baptists still try to convert Jews? That must be

funny to observe.

On 12/18/13, 9:02 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:41:55 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Gramsci. Many of us "liberal arts types" studied modern European history.

As well as "Cultural "Hegemony" and "Gradualism"

Well, of course. After all, America has devolved because of cultural
hegemony.





You might find the Eight Levels of Charity interesting enough to make

you regret the remarks you made about them. The sort of anonymous giving


You're projecting again Harry. I didn't make any negetgive remarks about them. Why should I seeing i'd never heard of "him" or "them."



Maimonides described predates your fear of administrative excesses.

I have no 'fear' of it. I'm just against it. Especially when some so-called 'charities' absorb up to some 70% of their budgets in 'administrative costs?" Yeah, that's real efficiency, eh?

It's not difficult to find worthwhile charities that put most of what
they get into programs and services.


Here's a reference with a simplified explanation:



http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...of-Charity.htm



You won't burn in hell, will you, for reading something on a Hasidic

site?

Oh, no more than you would for eating at a Greek Orthodox food fair.

I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac

And drink a little Greek wine.

Do you dance and drink at your church festivals?



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Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:32:51 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

I also dance at the Greek fair we attend.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLTBiJsi_Ac

Sorry, asshole...you're far too greasy to be dancing...anywhere.