On 11/27/13, 5:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:38:13 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:



They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case the



response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't



personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the



entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their view



of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so



politically aloof.







For example:







"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified work,



education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]







"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of



exclusion and inequality."







"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless



person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2



points?"







This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and the



Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has



already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.







The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive



dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.



John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."



He was making it personal.







Do you identify with those "right-wingers" who obviously disagree with

their spiritual leader, the pope, in terms of helping the neediest?



One obscure question deserves another-

Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not
entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 5:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:38:13 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 11/27/13, 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:







They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case the







response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't







personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the







entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their view







of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so







politically aloof.















For example:















"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified work,







education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]















"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of







exclusion and inequality."















"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless







person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2







points?"















This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and the







Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has







already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.















The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive







dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.







John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."







He was making it personal.















Do you identify with those "right-wingers" who obviously disagree with



their spiritual leader, the pope, in terms of helping the neediest?







One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?





Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


Depends. You're entitled to your own political views, but you are not entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


So if one is religious and is not pro-abortion, then they hate women, but if they're not pro abortion and are not religious then they're uh...er... well...

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?

Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe
differently.


Actually my question had nothing to do with religion, Harry. It had to do with me being a 'woman hater'

On 11/27/2013 9:15 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:16:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not
entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.

Evidently, unless you are the government.
Let's see what the SCOTUS has to say about it in the Hobby Lobby case.

I suppose if corporations are "people" who can have political views,
they can have religious views too.



The solution to *that* problem is to get businesses out of the
administration of health insurance programs.

What was once an affordable benefit has now become a major cost of doing
business.

On 11/27/13, 9:26 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


So if one is religious and is not pro-abortion, then they hate women, but if they're not pro abortion and are not religious then they're uh...er... well...


You can believe in whatever religious beliefs you like, so long as you
don't try to push those beliefs onto others. No one is telling you you
you have to support the availability of abortion.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/27/13, 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 5:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:38:13 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 11/27/13, 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:







They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case the







response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't







personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the







entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their view







of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so







politically aloof.















For example:















"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified work,







education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]















"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of







exclusion and inequality."















"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless







person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2







points?"















This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and the







Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has







already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.















The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive







dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.







John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."







He was making it personal.















Do you identify with those "right-wingers" who obviously disagree with



their spiritual leader, the pope, in terms of helping the neediest?







One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?





Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


Depends. You're entitled to your own political views, but you are not entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


I don't impose my political or religious views on anyone.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/27/2013 9:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 5:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:38:13 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 11/27/13, 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:







They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case
the







response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't







personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the







entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their
view







of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so







politically aloof.















For example:















"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified
work,







education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]















"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of







exclusion and inequality."















"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless







person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market
loses 2







points?"















This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and
the







Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has







already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.















The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive







dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.







John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But
when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."







He was making it personal.















Do you identify with those "right-wingers" who obviously disagree with



their spiritual leader, the pope, in terms of helping the neediest?







One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?





Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


Depends. You're entitled to your own political views, but you are not
entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


I don't impose my political or religious views on anyone.

No, but you certainly make enough noise on those issues.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 11/27/2013 9:46 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 9:26 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


So if one is religious and is not pro-abortion, then they hate women,
but if they're not pro abortion and are not religious then they're
uh...er... well...


You can believe in whatever religious beliefs you like, so long as you
don't try to push those beliefs onto others. No one is telling you you
you have to support the availability of abortion.


Will you at least allow him to push back on your outrageous views?

--
Americans deserve better.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/27/13, 9:26 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


So if one is religious and is not pro-abortion, then they hate women,
but if they're not pro abortion and are not religious then they're uh...er... well...


You can believe in whatever religious beliefs you like, so long as you
don't try to push those beliefs onto others. No one is telling you you
you have to support the availability of abortion.


Actually that is part of the Hobby Lobby case. Government pushing
everybody to support abortion.