On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/27/13, 5:30 PM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:38:13 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 11/27/13, 4:29 PM, Tim wrote:



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:







They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case the







response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't







personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the







entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their view







of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so







politically aloof.















For example:















"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified work,







education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]















"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of







exclusion and inequality."















"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless







person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2







points?"















This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and the







Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has







already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.















The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive







dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.







John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!







I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."







He was making it personal.















Do you identify with those "right-wingers" who obviously disagree with



their spiritual leader, the pope, in terms of helping the neediest?







One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?





Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


Depends. You're entitled to your own political views, but you are not entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?


Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.


So if one is religious and is not pro-abortion, then they hate women, but if they're not pro abortion and are not religious then they're uh...er... well...

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:16:52 PM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:

One obscure question deserves another-



Because I'm not pro abortion does that mean hate women?

Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not

entitled to impose them on others who believe
differently.


Actually my question had nothing to do with religion, Harry. It had to do with me being a 'woman hater'

On 11/27/2013 9:15 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:16:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Depends. You're entitled to your own religious views, but you are not
entitled to impose them on others who believe differently.

Evidently, unless you are the government.
Let's see what the SCOTUS has to say about it in the Hobby Lobby case.

I suppose if corporations are "people" who can have political views,
they can have religious views too.



The solution to *that* problem is to get businesses out of the
administration of health insurance programs.

What was once an affordable benefit has now become a major cost of doing
business.

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:29:46 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:44:40 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:

They are usually very quick to respond to Harry, but in this case the

response is deafening. Don't lose sight of the fact that this isn't

personal down to individual tithing. This is about rethinking the

entire approach of how a religious Catholic should perceive their view

of making themselves their brother's keeper and not being so

politically aloof.



For example:



"....beseeching politicians to GUARANTEE all citizens "dignified work,

education and healthcare"." [Emphasis mine.]



"...today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of

exclusion and inequality."



"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless

person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2

points?"



This is clearly setting up a huge tug-of-war between the pope and the

Christian Right/tea party clans. The term "Tea Party Catholic" has

already been coined in the first volley back at the Vatican.



The playing out of this right-wing political vs.religious cognitive

dissonance in the public forum should prove to be very entertaining.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I totally understand concerning the world wide Church,John. But when Harry said: "...if the several right-wingers in here ..."

He was making it personal.

That was a spoof.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!