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On 11/20/13, 12:08 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/19/13, 9:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/19/13, 8:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted
in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in
Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public
at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or
other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.

The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the
spokesperson
said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the
upper
body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His
wounds
were considered serious.

The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional
student at
the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in
Virginia, in
Willamsburg.

The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference,
they
were not looking for suspects.

That's about all the "meat" revealed.

Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is
if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking
for one.

Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds
like
domestic violence.

The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking
treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an
empty bed, or so the news reports.

According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities
for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common
problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the
funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not
easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many
kinds
of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance
that will cover it.

Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health
coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right?

He was a state senator. If anyone could get a room at a residential
facility, he would be top of the list. And since the kid is on the dad's
insurance, sine he was under 26, the state would have paid.

Oh. You're familiar with the availability of beds at psychiatric
hospitals in that part of Virginia. Well, of course you are.

CNN reports:

The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a
mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was
released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area
of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge
Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper.

And once again, Bilious...every day for you.

He was a Senator. I bet they could have got a room! Seems as if the
Dr.Dr.Dr.'s of Virginia did not think he was that bad. Makes those mental
health professionals look a little incompetent.

And again you demonstrate your ignorance.

You demonstrate you bias. Again and again and again.

What bias is that, Bill? There's a shortage of beds for psychiatric
patients in Virginia generally, and especially in the more rural parts
of the state. I have no idea what facilities might be available out in
western rural Virginia.

Your comment that because the young man's father is a state senator, a
room would automatically be made available is just more of your
uninformed nonsense.

The reality is, many of the "facts" of this sad case are still unknown.

Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds
lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed.
Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has
called and asked.

F.O.A.D.

On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds
lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed.
Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has
called and asked.

I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver
said they had a bed for him.

We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to
being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no
matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these
admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of
prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel.
If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been
willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be
involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing
patient before the attack.

Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to
waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits

Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the
preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in
Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the
claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent
to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

BAR[_2_]

In article , says...

On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds
lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed.
Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has
called and asked.

I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver
said they had a bed for him.

We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to
being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no
matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these
admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of
prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel.
If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been
willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be
involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing
patient before the attack.

Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to
waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits

Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the
preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in
Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the
claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent
to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call.

You immediately went into your screed about how Virgina and Gov McDonald, mostly Gov
McDonald, failed miseraby with respect to mental health care in Virginia. Your words ring
hollow when placed against the facts and that beds were available, if only they had been
contacted. Any complicity in this matter by Virgina or Gov McDonals is just you using Rahm
Emanuel's don't let any tradgey go to west method of operation to use your broad brush.

The elder Deeds was attacked by his son with a knife, the son is dead from from a gunshot
wound that may or may not have been fired from a gun in the hands of the father. The story
being pushed that the son killed himself with a gun after the father who was bloody and in
very bad shape escaped the house is just that a stroy. It will be interesting to see the
elder Deeds facial expression if and when he is asked directly about him pulling the trigger
of the pistol that killed his son. My money is on the elder Deeds shooting the sone to
prevent the son from killing him.

F.O.A.D.

On 11/22/13, 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:55:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds
lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed.
Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has
called and asked.

I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver
said they had a bed for him.

We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to
being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no
matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these
admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of
prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel.
If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been
willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be
involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing
patient before the attack.

Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to
waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits

Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the
preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in
Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the
claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent
to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call.

Maybe that is a problem with living out in the sticks.
The fact remains that 2 hospitals within an hour's drive, did say they
had a bed. Nobody has said the younger Deeds was willing to go.
Without due process, they couldn't make him. Even then, it is usually
jail or treatment.

Charlottesville is closer to two hours away. I think the other hospital
was in Staunton. Certainly the UVA hospital in Charlottesville would
have been a good choice. I'm not sure I'd go to a hospital in Staunton
for more than a paper cut.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

BAR[_2_]

In article , says...

On 11/22/13, 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:55:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds
lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed.
Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has
called and asked.

I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver
said they had a bed for him.

We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to
being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no
matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these
admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of
prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel.
If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been
willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be
involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing
patient before the attack.

Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to
waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits

Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the
preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in
Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the
claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent
to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call.

Maybe that is a problem with living out in the sticks.
The fact remains that 2 hospitals within an hour's drive, did say they
had a bed. Nobody has said the younger Deeds was willing to go.
Without due process, they couldn't make him. Even then, it is usually
jail or treatment.

Charlottesville is closer to two hours away. I think the other hospital
was in Staunton. Certainly the UVA hospital in Charlottesville would
have been a good choice. I'm not sure I'd go to a hospital in Staunton
for more than a paper cut.

The issue is not how far or what facility was better the issue is that these instituitons
were not contacted and they should have been on the list to contact.

When my wife went into pre-term labor they called all level 3 NICU's in the area, MD and VA,
and she was going to be sent to the first one that responded that they had a NICU bed
available.

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