On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.



The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson
said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper
body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds
were considered serious.

The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at
the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in
Willamsburg.

The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they
were not looking for suspects.

That's about all the "meat" revealed.

Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is
if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking
for one.



Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like
domestic violence.

On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in
Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public
at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.



The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson
said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper
body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds
were considered serious.

The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at
the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in
Willamsburg.

The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they
were not looking for suspects.

That's about all the "meat" revealed.

Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is
if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking
for one.



Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like
domestic violence.



The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking
treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an
empty bed, or so the news reports.

According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities
for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common
problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the
funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not
easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many
kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance
that will cover it.

Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health
coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:43:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in
Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public
at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.



The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson
said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper
body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds
were considered serious.

The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at
the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in
Willamsburg.

The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they
were not looking for suspects.

That's about all the "meat" revealed.

Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is
if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking
for one.



Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like
domestic violence.



The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking
treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an
empty bed, or so the news reports.

According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities
for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common
problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the
funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not
easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many
kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance
that will cover it.

Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health
coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right?

You should use Elmer's Glue. Sniffing it won't make you high like the stuff you're using now.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/19/2013 5:08 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:43:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in
Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public
at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.



The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson
said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper
body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds
were considered serious.

The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at
the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in
Willamsburg.

The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they
were not looking for suspects.

That's about all the "meat" revealed.

Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is
if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking
for one.



Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like
domestic violence.



The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking
treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an
empty bed, or so the news reports.

According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities
for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common
problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the
funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not
easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many
kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance
that will cover it.

Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health
coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right?

You should use Elmer's Glue. Sniffing it won't make you high like the stuff you're using now.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


He has been acting squirrely lately. You might have hit on the cause.

--
Americans deserve better.

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.

Did not see Harry's other note. Can not put it all in one thread?

On 11/19/13, 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:43:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking
treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an
empty bed, or so the news reports.

According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities
for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common
problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the
funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not
easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many
kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance
that will cover it.

Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health
coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right?

I doubt this family is destitute


Well, it's going to be a while for this case to unravel, but here's a
bit mo




(CBS) -The son of a Va. state senator who was stabbed Tuesday had been
evaluated by a mental health facility on Monday, but was released
because there were no available beds in the area, according to the
Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Dennis Crooper, the executive director of the Rockbridge County
Community Services Board, told the newspaper that 24-year-old Austin
"Gus" Deeds was evaluated under an emergency custody order the day
before he died.

Crooper released a statement late Tuesday which did not confirm what he
told the Times-Dispatch about Deeds' exam or a lack of available beds,
but described the process for holding someone under an emergency custody
order (ECO):

"Once a person is taken into custody under an ECO they can be held for
up to 4 hours while an evaluation from a Mental Health professional is
conducted. Within those four hours, if a mental health professional
determines that they need a psychiatric bed space, they have to use
those same 4 hours to locate a receiving facility. In certain conditions
a 2 hour extension is granted by a magistrate, but under no
circumstances can a person be held beyond 6 hours involuntarily under an
ECO."

Creigh Deeds was formerly a Bath County prosecutor and was elected to
the state Senate in 2001, according to the Associated Press. He also ran
unsuccessfully for attorney general in 2005 and for governor in 2009.

Gus Deeds enrolled at the College of William & Mary in 2007 and attended
the school on and off, but had withdrawn a month before his death,
according to a statement released by the college.

- - -

There aren't a whole bunch of sophisticated mental health facilities in
Rockbridge County, Virginia.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/19/13, 5:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.

Did not see Harry's other note. Can not put it all in one thread?


It's a *developing* news story. That means details are released as they
are released. Got it?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/19/13, 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:23:17 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

In certain conditions
a 2 hour extension is granted by a magistrate, but under no
circumstances can a person be held beyond 6 hours involuntarily under an
ECO."

It sounds like this guy wanted to go and they had to let him.
At least in Florida the Baker act allows 72 hours although it is
usually less if they know how to work the system..
This really looks more like a case of the high hurdles you need to
clear to get a person into treatment who doesn't want to go than a
simple shortage of beds.


I wondered about that myself. The assumption that you can get someone in
a rural area to perform a real psych eval within a six hour time period
is not realistic. I'm not sure you could get it done in the larger
cities around here.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

In article , says...

Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon
today.

It was reported early in the day that Deeds' son was dead from a gunshot wound. It wasn't
hard to figure out what happened.

The sad thing is that the kid, the one who offed himself, was released because they didn't
have a bed in a pshyc facility available for him. I guess closing down all of the mental
healht care facilities and releasing all of the nut jobs in the 70's served its purpose.

In article , says...

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized

Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital
Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his
Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News.

A second individual was found deceased inside the residence.

Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being
treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville.

State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon
today.
What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer?
Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By
what means was the deceased dispatched?

Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws.

It was in Harry's original note
"An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of
Deeds and he had been shot."

Sen Deeds was stabbed.

So far CNN is not talking about any other people.

Demoncrat on Demoncrat violence is not reported if there is any possibility that they can
paint a Republican with the ill deed.