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Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/20/13, 12:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:23:26 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/20/13, 12:12 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:33:56 -0500, BAR wrote: I question why a guy with a gun would stab someone. It sounds like the police are trying to relieve the father's consciousness because he actually killed his son. That is my guess too but we may never know. Uh-huh. Right. Of course. There is only one witness. I wasn't referring to the fact that only one of the two people in this tragedy is alive but to the assumption that the father shot and killed his son. Like Greg said, there is only one witness. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/20/13, 3:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:19:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/20/13, 12:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:23:26 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/20/13, 12:12 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:33:56 -0500, BAR wrote: I question why a guy with a gun would stab someone. It sounds like the police are trying to relieve the father's consciousness because he actually killed his son. That is my guess too but we may never know. Uh-huh. Right. Of course. There is only one witness. I wasn't referring to the fact that only one of the two people in this tragedy is alive but to the assumption that the father shot and killed his son. But he is the only one who knows for sure. I could understand if the cops did not really investigate this that closely. There is nothing to be gained by putting the gun in the dad's hand You mean, shooting someone who stabbed you multiple times is justification for standing your ground? Yes. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/20/13, 12:08 AM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 9:05 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:01 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News. A second individual was found deceased inside the residence. Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville. State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon today. What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer? Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By what means was the deceased dispatched? Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws. It was in Harry's original note "An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of Deeds and he had been shot." Sen Deeds was stabbed. So far CNN is not talking about any other people. The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds were considered serious. The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in Willamsburg. The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they were not looking for suspects. That's about all the "meat" revealed. Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking for one. Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like domestic violence. The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an empty bed, or so the news reports. According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance that will cover it. Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right? He was a state senator. If anyone could get a room at a residential facility, he would be top of the list. And since the kid is on the dad's insurance, sine he was under 26, the state would have paid. Oh. You're familiar with the availability of beds at psychiatric hospitals in that part of Virginia. Well, of course you are. CNN reports: The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper. And once again, Bilious...every day for you. He was a Senator. I bet they could have got a room! Seems as if the Dr.Dr.Dr.'s of Virginia did not think he was that bad. Makes those mental health professionals look a little incompetent. And again you demonstrate your ignorance. You demonstrate you bias. Again and again and again. What bias is that, Bill? There's a shortage of beds for psychiatric patients in Virginia generally, and especially in the more rural parts of the state. I have no idea what facilities might be available out in western rural Virginia. Your comment that because the young man's father is a state senator, a room would automatically be made available is just more of your uninformed nonsense. The reality is, many of the "facts" of this sad case are still unknown. Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed. Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has called and asked. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:55:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote: Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed. Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has called and asked. I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver said they had a bed for him. We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel. If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing patient before the attack. Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call. Maybe that is a problem with living out in the sticks. The fact remains that 2 hospitals within an hour's drive, did say they had a bed. Nobody has said the younger Deeds was willing to go. Without due process, they couldn't make him. Even then, it is usually jail or treatment. Charlottesville is closer to two hours away. I think the other hospital was in Staunton. Certainly the UVA hospital in Charlottesville would have been a good choice. I'm not sure I'd go to a hospital in Staunton for more than a paper cut. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote: Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed. Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has called and asked. I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver said they had a bed for him. We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel. If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing patient before the attack. Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call. You immediately went into your screed about how Virgina and Gov McDonald, mostly Gov McDonald, failed miseraby with respect to mental health care in Virginia. Your words ring hollow when placed against the facts and that beds were available, if only they had been contacted. Any complicity in this matter by Virgina or Gov McDonals is just you using Rahm Emanuel's don't let any tradgey go to west method of operation to use your broad brush. The elder Deeds was attacked by his son with a knife, the son is dead from from a gunshot wound that may or may not have been fired from a gun in the hands of the father. The story being pushed that the son killed himself with a gun after the father who was bloody and in very bad shape escaped the house is just that a stroy. It will be interesting to see the elder Deeds facial expression if and when he is asked directly about him pulling the trigger of the pistol that killed his son. My money is on the elder Deeds shooting the sone to prevent the son from killing him. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/22/13, 1:01 PM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:55:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/22/13, 11:51 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:35:29 -0500, BAR wrote: Your screed against conservatives is falling apart. The facilities in and around where Deeds lived have responded that they were never contacted about the availability of a pshyc bed. Most said that they had beds available and would have accepted young Deeds if anyone has called and asked. I heard the same thing on CNN. Two hospitals within an hour's driver said they had a bed for him. We still have not heard anyone say the younger Deeds consented to being admitted. If he didn't want to go, they couldn't make him go, no matter how many beds were there. From what I see, most of these admissions come after a criminal court proceeding ... in lieu of prosecution or jail time. Think Trey Radel. If the younger Deeds had survived the gunshot, he would have been willing to check himself in for treatment. The fact that he had to be involuntarily taken in for assessment implies he was not a willing patient before the attack. Unfortunately the democratic principle of letting no tragedy go to waste is working here and they are milking this cow on all 4 tits Since none of us have seen the call list of the facility that did the preliminary intake on Deeds, we don't even know if the facility in Charlottesville should have been called. I did get a chuckle out of the claim that one of the facilities in a nearby town had someone competent to do a psych eval of Deeds or anyone else on 24-hour call. Maybe that is a problem with living out in the sticks. The fact remains that 2 hospitals within an hour's drive, did say they had a bed. Nobody has said the younger Deeds was willing to go. Without due process, they couldn't make him. Even then, it is usually jail or treatment. Charlottesville is closer to two hours away. I think the other hospital was in Staunton. Certainly the UVA hospital in Charlottesville would have been a good choice. I'm not sure I'd go to a hospital in Staunton for more than a paper cut. The issue is not how far or what facility was better the issue is that these instituitons were not contacted and they should have been on the list to contact. When my wife went into pre-term labor they called all level 3 NICU's in the area, MD and VA, and she was going to be sent to the first one that responded that they had a NICU bed available. |
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