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Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/19/13, 9:05 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:01 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News. A second individual was found deceased inside the residence. Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville. State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon today. What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer? Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By what means was the deceased dispatched? Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws. It was in Harry's original note "An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of Deeds and he had been shot." Sen Deeds was stabbed. So far CNN is not talking about any other people. The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds were considered serious. The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in Willamsburg. The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they were not looking for suspects. That's about all the "meat" revealed. Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking for one. Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like domestic violence. The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an empty bed, or so the news reports. According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance that will cover it. Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right? He was a state senator. If anyone could get a room at a residential facility, he would be top of the list. And since the kid is on the dad's insurance, sine he was under 26, the state would have paid. Oh. You're familiar with the availability of beds at psychiatric hospitals in that part of Virginia. Well, of course you are. CNN reports: The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper. And once again, Bilious...every day for you. He was a Senator. I bet they could have got a room! Seems as if the Dr.Dr.Dr.'s of Virginia did not think he was that bad. Makes those mental health professionals look a little incompetent. And again you demonstrate your ignorance. You demonstrate you bias. Again and again and again. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
On 11/20/13, 12:08 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 9:05 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:01 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News. A second individual was found deceased inside the residence. Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville. State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon today. What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer? Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By what means was the deceased dispatched? Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws. It was in Harry's original note "An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of Deeds and he had been shot." Sen Deeds was stabbed. So far CNN is not talking about any other people. The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds were considered serious. The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in Willamsburg. The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they were not looking for suspects. That's about all the "meat" revealed. Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking for one. Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like domestic violence. The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an empty bed, or so the news reports. According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance that will cover it. Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right? He was a state senator. If anyone could get a room at a residential facility, he would be top of the list. And since the kid is on the dad's insurance, sine he was under 26, the state would have paid. Oh. You're familiar with the availability of beds at psychiatric hospitals in that part of Virginia. Well, of course you are. CNN reports: The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper. And once again, Bilious...every day for you. He was a Senator. I bet they could have got a room! Seems as if the Dr.Dr.Dr.'s of Virginia did not think he was that bad. Makes those mental health professionals look a little incompetent. And again you demonstrate your ignorance. You demonstrate you bias. Again and again and again. What bias is that, Bill? There's a shortage of beds for psychiatric patients in Virginia generally, and especially in the more rural parts of the state. I have no idea what facilities might be available out in western rural Virginia. Your comment that because the young man's father is a state senator, a room would automatically be made available is just more of your uninformed nonsense. The reality is, many of the "facts" of this sad case are still unknown. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
On 11/19/13, 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:32:30 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:14:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: CNN reports: The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper. Didn't you also post that Cropper was softening on that story? No. But his later comments didn't reference that. "Crooper released a statement late Tuesday which did not confirm what he told the Times-Dispatch about Deeds' exam or a lack of available beds, but described the process for holding someone under an emergency custody order (ECO)": That makes it sound like the son checked himself out It doesn't sound that way at all. What it sounds like is that the later statement simply didn't reference the earlier statement. Would it be a surprise to you to learn that a bed in a psych facility wouldn't be immediately available in that part of rural Virginia? They 'coptered the dad to Charlottesville, pretty much a two hour car drive away because there wasn't a hospital near where the family lived that was capable of handling the case. I wonder if that part of Virginia has much more than a couple of crappy facilities for treating substance abusers. Additionally, as I pointed out in another post, Governor McDonnell and the Virginia legislature made drastic cuts to the state's budget for psychiatric hospital beds, and those cuts may well have impacted what might have been available in a private psych hospital or at least a general hospital that was equipped to handle psych patients. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
On 11/19/13, 10:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/19/2013 8:47 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:41:29 -0500, BAR wrote: The sad thing is that the kid, the one who offed himself, was released because they didn't have a bed in a pshyc facility available for him. I guess closing down all of the mental healht care facilities and releasing all of the nut jobs in the 70's served its purpose. That was mostly caused by a series of cases where the courts decided involuntary commitment equated to depriving a person of liberty and could only be imposed by due process. (14th amendment). Subsequent laws that defined "evaluations" further restricted exactly how long someone can be held with or without a court order. We don't know the details of this sad event, so this is pure speculation on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me if drug and/or alcohol addiction is involved with Gus (the son) still in total denial. The early reports indicate he had been released from an area hospital Monday following a mental health evaluation. That could also have been an overnight "detox" period followed by the mental health evaluation. Getting a court order for involuntary commitment is difficult. Laws protect the rights of the person in question. A shrink's evaluation that the person "could" or "might" hurt himself or others is not sufficient in itself to cause a judge to order an involuntary commitment. The person has to actually hurt him/herself (attempt suicide) or cause injury to another person in order to be involuntarily committed in most circumstances. This was explained to me last year when I was involved in getting someone some help for severe alcoholism. The fact that the person in question had a blood alcohol level that is considered "lethal" (450) and had been driving a car in a reckless manner (endangering others) still wasn't sufficient. I was flabbergasted to learn this, but that's the law. If the person in question is still in a state of denial of their addiction, but hasn't actually hurt him/herself or anyone else, it's tough to have them involuntarily committed. My speculation is that this may be the case in this situation. If Gus had been determined to be an *immediate* threat to himself or others by virtue of demonstrated action, a bed would have been found. I would guess there are a couple of detox facilities out there in rural Virginia, but no real psych hospital. The dad had to be flown to Charlottesville for treatment of his knife wounds, which tells me there isn't even much of a general hospital out there. It's a lightly populated county. Here's a bit from another news report: Streeting...is an issue Virginia has struggled with before. In 2011, Virginia inspector general G. Douglas Bevelacqua released a report chastising the state for turning away in a month an estimated 200 patients determined to be a threat to themselves or others who met the criteria for a temporary detention, only because state facilities lacked the room to hold them. Twenty-three of Virginia’s 40 community-services boards acknowledged that “streeting” occurred at their facilities. “I wouldn’t say this happens every day, but it’s more common than we’d like for it to be,” Mary Ann Bergeron, the executive director of the Virginia Association of Community Services Board, told the Washington Post. Under Virginia’s emergency-custody-order process, the family of a patient petitions a magistrate to order an evaluation, and medical staff have a four-hour window to decide whether someone should be committed, according to Cropper, who declined to speak about the specifics of the Deeds case out of respect for the family’s privacy. The clock starts when a sheriff picks up the patient and brings him or her in for clinical evaluation. Once the evaluation is complete, physicians make a recommendation to the magistrate. If the magistrate approves, medical staff then search for an available hospital bed. It all has to happen during the four-hour time frame. “We can sometimes get an extension of two hours on that, but beyond the six hours we cannot. So if we don’t find a bed within six hours, then an individual would have to be released. We can’t keep them,” says Cropper. The availability of inpatient psychiatric care has decreased nationally in recent years. Research from the Treatment Advocacy Center, a national nonprofit focused on eliminating barriers to treatment of severe mental illness, found that the number of state psychiatric beds decreased nationwide by 14% between 2005 and 2010. In 2005 there were 50,509 state psychiatric beds nationwide, and in 2010 there were 43,318. It’s estimated that a person with severe mental illness is three times more likely to be in a state prison than a psychiatric hospital. Tightening state budgets have widened the gap in available beds. In the wake of the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting that claimed 32 lives, Virginia’s legislature took measures to revamp the emergency-evaluation processes, updated the criteria for involuntary psychiatric commitment and raised state funding for community mental-health services. But according to a report from the National Alliance on Mental Illness, Virginia’s overall state mental-health budget decreased $37.7 million dollars from $424.3 million to $386.6 million between fiscal years 2009 and 2012. “The consequences of not providing treatment should demonstrate the importance of the need for it,” says Kristina Ragosta, director of advocacy at the Treatment Advocacy Center. “Most people with mental illness are no more violent than the general population, but when we talk about people with untreated mental illness, they are at greater risk of committing violent acts.” -- The four to six hour window for evaluation in Virginia is an absurdity, especially in a rural area where there are not likely to be professionals qualified to evaluate potential psychiatric patients. Certainly a regular physician can tell if an individual is "raving," but I'm not sure they can evaluate a more difficult case. Psychiatric diagnosis depends upon more than accurately noting "visible" problems or the results of blood tests. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/19/13, 8:01 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/19/2013 2:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:59:36 -0500, John H wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:02 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 1:05 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:21 -0500, Hank© wrote: On 11/19/2013 11:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds hospitalized Virginia state senator Creigh Deeds was transported to a hospital Tuesday with serious injuries after allegedly being assaulted in his Bath County home earlier in the morning, according to NBC News. A second individual was found deceased inside the residence. Deeds, who was the 2009 Democratic nominee for governor, is being treated at the University of Virginia Medical Center in Charlottesville. State police plan to hold a news conference to update the public at noon today. What sort of trauma did Deeds suffer? Was the deceased Dem or Rep, Male or female, black white or other. By what means was the deceased dispatched? Cmon Mr. Dip**** reporter. Don't you remember the 5 Ws. It was in Harry's original note "An earlier news report stated the dead person was an adult son of Deeds and he had been shot." Sen Deeds was stabbed. So far CNN is not talking about any other people. The Virginia State Police had a news conference, and the spokesperson said the Creigh Deeds had been stabbed numerous times around the upper body and head. Deeds was conscious and talked to the police. His wounds were considered serious. The dead person, who was shot, is Deeds' son, an occasional student at the College of William and Mary, a first-rate college in Virginia, in Willamsburg. The police spokesperson said that at the time of the conference, they were not looking for suspects. That's about all the "meat" revealed. Damn shame the Deeds didn't have a gun handy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Somebody had a gun because the son was shot. The only open question is if there was a 3d party involved. The cops said they are not looking for one. Assuming the police "are not looking for suspects", it sure sounds like domestic violence. The dead son had serious emotional issues and apparently was seeking treatment but there was no facility in his part of the state with an empty bed, or so the news reports. According to my wife, who knows about the "availability" of facilities for those who need a residential program, the lack of space is a common problem in this country almost everywhere, especially if you don't the funds or insurance to pay $2000+ a day for a private facility. It's not easy to find space for day treatment, either, or, in fact, for many kinds of treatment for mental/emotional problems sans cash or insurance that will cover it. Hey, this is America. I'm sure the Republican plan to provide health coverage to all Americans will take care of this, right? He was a state senator. If anyone could get a room at a residential facility, he would be top of the list. And since the kid is on the dad's insurance, sine he was under 26, the state would have paid. Oh. You're familiar with the availability of beds at psychiatric hospitals in that part of Virginia. Well, of course you are. News report last night said that a bed was available at a facility. Sad thing is the facility wasn't contacted about the available bed. It is a breakdown in the mental health community. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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On 11/19/13, 9:50 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:32:30 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:53 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:14:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/19/13, 8:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: CNN reports: The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported Tuesday that he had been given a mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order Monday, but was released because no psychiatric bed could be located across a wide area of western Virginia, Dennis Cropper, executive director of the Rockbridge Area Community Services Board, told the newspaper. Didn't you also post that Cropper was softening on that story? No. But his later comments didn't reference that. "Crooper released a statement late Tuesday which did not confirm what he told the Times-Dispatch about Deeds' exam or a lack of available beds, but described the process for holding someone under an emergency custody order (ECO)": That makes it sound like the son checked himself out It doesn't sound that way at all. What it sounds like is that the later statement simply didn't reference the earlier statement. Would it be a surprise to you to learn that a bed in a psych facility wouldn't be immediately available in that part of rural Virginia? They 'coptered the dad to Charlottesville, pretty much a two hour car drive away because there wasn't a hospital near where the family lived that was capable of handling the case. I wonder if that part of Virginia has much more than a couple of crappy facilities for treating substance abusers. Additionally, as I pointed out in another post, Governor McDonnell and the Virginia legislature made drastic cuts to the state's budget for psychiatric hospital beds, and those cuts may well have impacted what might have been available in a private psych hospital or at least a general hospital that was equipped to handle psych patients. Why is it that the facts never support your political spin? http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/lo...mental-health- beds-found/article_41a00cb2-5197-11e3-81be-001a4bcf6878.html While Cropper would not say which hospitals officials called in Deeds? case, he rattled off a half-dozen facilities board members generally try in cases like his. Two hospitals on the list ? the UVa Medical Center and Rockingham Memorial Hospital in Harrisonburg ? said they had available psychiatric beds Monday. An official at a third hospital, Augusta Health in Fishersville, said no beds were available. |
Former Virginia Gubernatorial Candidate Assaulted in Home
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